IGF 2023 – Day 3 – WS #417 Youth-Driven Tech: Empowering Next-Gen Innovators – RAW

The following are the outputs of the captioning taken during an IGF intervention. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.

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>> DENISE LEAL: Hello, everyone.  We have this youth panel now.  We are about to start.  It is the first time of some of our speakers in the event and speaking also here.  So let's have a very nice session speaking about youth and innovation.  I am going to invite our speakers to present themselves and since we had some changes on the speakers and also the Moderators, I will ask that each speaker could present yourself and I am going to also be presenting the online speakers and the online Moderator.  So let's begin with it, our on‑site speakers will present themselves, I'm Denise Leal from Brazil.  Part of the Brazilian youth, I'm happy you are here joining this session with us.

>> BORIS: I'm Boris from Hong Kong.

>> ETHAN: I'm Ethan Chen also from the Foundation from Hong Kong. 

>> THERESE: I am also from Brazil, a lawyer and a researcher. 

>> ANTHONY: Hello, I am from the Democratic Republic of Congo.  I'm the coordinator of the Youth IGF TRC and Internet Society youth.  Thank you. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you, now we're going to speak with our online Moderator, Nicolas Fiumarelli are you there.  And James and the other speakers? 

>> NICOLAS FIUMARELLI: I'm here, Nicolas Fiumarelli, Youth IGF coordinator. 

>> DENISE LEAL: James, Theorose Elikplim Dzineku.

>> Theorose Elikplim Dzineku: I'm from Ghana Youth IGF.  Thank you. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you.  Jose, I see you. 

>> Osei Manu Kagyah: I'm Osei from Ghana.  I'm excited to be here. 

>> DENISE LEAL: James?  I cannot hear James.  I she ‑‑ see Shradha.

>> Shradha Pandey: I'm Shradha, it is exciting to be here.  Thanks, Denise.

>> DENISE LEAL: We will talk about youth's role and innovation.  What have you done like we have done to bring more innovation and solutions and we are talking about our perspective on our groups, I'm from Latin America we have Asia and other spaces so we're going to be talking on our experiences as a young people, personally and also as a person from different ‑‑ people from different groups.  So now for starting, can we start with you Therese. ?  Yes.  We will start.  Let me just find the questions here everyone. 

In your experience, how have youth led initiatives influenced sustainable tech solutions?  And could you also speak on your perspective as a fellow from youth Brazilian Programme? 

>> Therese: Yes, thank you, Denise.  Well, I will speak from perspective of a lawyer of course and Brazilian young person.

We saw that at least I hope that you saw, guys, that the theme of our session is Youth‑Driven Tech, Empowering Next‑Gen Innovators.  So when you talk about innovation, especially in Brazil, and I could say in other countries, in the Latin America, we know that you have a lack of innovation.  It is not a problem of lack of thinkers or lack of intelligence.  It is much more a lack of opportunities and lack of money to be invest in the areas.  I would say that in Brazil, we are really pushing and trying to put pressure on the Government and in the public Sector to have more investments, especially in our public Universities.  Because unfortunately, we have seen a decrease of our industry in Brazil.  And this is probably because of the Global economy and all the police problems that is really complicated in our Region the last decades, actually.

So what we have to think is that when we talk about innovation and I know that we have been listening ‑‑ hearing here in the IGF that we cannot talk about innovation without talking about regulation.  I cannot agree that regulation is just a way to block innovation.  That is not true.  Actually, we can foster innovation by regulation methods like sandbox that were told here, I think in this same room.  I think we have to see especially Latin America, how we can find ways and I'm talking about the public Sector because as I just said we don't have a strong industry.  So we need more investment, especially now in Universities and this I can see at least to just initiate the conversation that the way is have a kind of innovative hubs in the Universities and try to have public investments and then trying to have as well private investments.  Why I'm saying that?  Because we cannot forget that private investments always are focused on profits.

So we have to think ‑‑ before thinking about make money we need to prevent some bias about innovation. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you Therese.  Now we'll pass the floor to Nicholas so we can hear Shradha speaking.  Yes, Nicolas Fiumarelli. 

>> NICOLAS FIUMARELLI: I wish to speak about warriors of innovation especially with the Internet Governance.  Can you confirm you are hearing me well?  Great.  Innovation is the lifeblood of the progress, it is what drives society forward, to solve complex problems, and enhance quality of life.  In the digital life innovation is (?) the advance of technology and digital realm.  We can encompass quantum computing, artificial intelligence technology.  As we forge ahead of the opportunities in the digital world we must be acutely aware of the challenges and barriers that will hinder our path.  The barriers to innovation are unequal access is the main being.  The world where Internet is to unlock knowledge and breakthrough as I mention artificial intelligence quantum computing, it is distressing to see the vast number of members remain disenfranchise.  As we speak of the digital divide, must remember it is not just about taxes or the activities.  How about access to the opportunities to education and to the markets, right?  Then come the issue of regulation as mentioned because the purpose of the regulation is to protect the users and ensure the failed practices at times.  So overly strict regulations can deter start ups.  Or even the experimentation or receive the free flow of information.  Those are all vital for the system.  The very platform that provides connectivity can sometimes be monopolist giants we have seen gate keeping innovation and keeping the terms of online.  The influence of the policies in the Internet can lead to an environment not conducive to small players or new ideas.  In the Forum where we are just hear it is to ensure the Governance of the Internet is inclusive, and just.

 (?) the Government should not be about control, it should facilitate the opportunities for the people.  How can we as members of the IGF foster a new environment with users and promotes this innovation?  We are all ‑‑ we have like voters ‑‑ innovators from all around the world.  (?) from the case of Uruguay it has been progressive to be throughout the Region and youth of Uruguay will championship the free, fair Internet.  It is a challenge and requires response.  So we need to have like equal foot in terms of innovation.  So as we move forward I don't want to take so much time.  Not focus only on barriers but bridges to build together.  Let's collaborate in generations for the digital world, where it is not just safe and equitable, but innovative.  Thank you, I look forward to the fruitful discussion ahead. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you, Nicolas Fiumarelli.  Now we will listen to Shradha speaking about the role of youth‑led initiative.  Please go on.  We're waiting for your words. 

>> Shradha Pandey: Thank you, Denise.  It is Shradha Pandey, for the record.  I will talk to you about youth‑led initiatives and the soft skills youth can bring to the table while having discussions at such an international level, having such crucial discussions.  What we're seeing now is that the token representation of the youth community members, while it still remains token in some places has been changing drastically over the past few years.  Today, currently I would like to talk about leadership and strategy that is new skills that the youth community members are developing with Strategic Plans and priorities for Digital Transformation.  By having a detailed plan and detailed way of action towards grassroots communities.  Our action about the youth standing group of Internet Society about how to further contribution and create an Internet that leaves no one behind by ensuring the grassroots communities and run by people at the rural level for the last mile connectivity and try to empower youth community members to participate in high‑level discussions and make meaningful contributions to bring our voices to the legislation, to the policymakers and formation of regulations and initiatives.  The actions being based to foster innovation have to be rights based inclusive and sustainable overall.  One key initiative brought to the table and to every discussion is the overall sustainability and environmental care in issues relating to trust and security and environmental sustainability, about accountability and being a rights based approach is extremely important.  Participation of youth members is something that I highlight and I say that in addition to contributing at the local level, an international discussion and platform such as IGF is very important to bring in to understand what the Best Practices are at the local levels and how to be replicated in other Regions.

With that, I hand it back to you Denise.  Thank you. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you for your contributions on the topic.  We will now listen to Anthony.  Right, based on your experience as a youth Ambassador for the Internet Society and involvement with the panelists this morning ‑‑ pan‑African Governance, how can you better shape the future of the Internet especially in the African context? 

>> Anthony: Thank you, Denise Leal.  As a facilitator on the pan‑African youth empowerment.  The youth need capacity, the youth need enough capacity to be contributors and for this they need literacy.  They need the knowledge. 

Pan‑African Ambassadors on the Internet Governance initiative have trained over a thousand young people in Africa.  In five different languages.  You understand that it is not only in English, for this to be meaningful they have to get capacity in their own language of fluence to be contributors.  We trained over a thousand people in five different languages.  Giving them enough capacity to make sure they're Global contributors and as we're speaking we have got Ambassador who were speak at the African IGF and here also who are contributors what is emphasized, need for that capacity.  One other thing I should say is now that we're having many data protection regulations and AI regulation all over the world.  And especially in Africa, many countries tending to bring in the data protection regulation and AI regulation.  And as all policy processes we have consultations.  The youth need to be at the table.  When we are talking about consultations about the AI, we are the actual major digital users.  We are also the future leaders.  So we need to be at the table.  When decisions are being taken about how AI will be regulated.  And how our data has to be regulated.  We need to be at the table.  Our voices need to be heard.  So one of the main recommendations is that we may have young people at the table in regulations and consultations of policies related to artificial intelligence and Emerging Technologies and data protection, so on.  So I hand over to you (off mic) 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you, it was a very important perspective from African region.  Now, we are going to listen to Asia perspective.  Ethan can you share one significant learning experience that shaped your perspective on Sustainable Development and innovation on the topic of innovation, please? 

>> Ethan: It is related to one of my own experience.  There is a story about this. 

In two or three years ago I was year 7, my school library there is book crossing, traditional book crossing.  The first day of school there is free books in the corner.  Maybe someone will take it or more books at end of school day.  Time pass, time flies, it is the end of the school year of year 7.  When I got back there is 500 to 500 books there.  No one takes it to read only people that want to give away and want to donate it.  What the school did is throw it away and recycle it.  Which actually cost and produce many carbon emission.  When I got home I told my dad oh, I figure out this serious problem so we should find a way to figure it out.  And the idea of the Foundation is formed.  We did it and now today we're here.  So yes, that's my own experience. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Very nice to hear how initiatives born and things inspire us and can be a small or big things that make us move and trying to find solutions for innovation and sustainability. 

>> Boris, what are some things you believe are crucial for the young generation and Sustainable Development.

>> Boris: Notice everything around you.  Everywhere there is something to be learned.  My experience with books began in year 6 in a school in Hong Kong.  I was reading a book called how things work.  It was detailed how someone used STEM to create fabulous inventions that changed the world.  For me, I felt like books were much closer than I could imagine.  As I grew older, I grew to make a change.  I started understanding programming and started creating change.  I think it is important per youth to understand that a single soft skill you can deliver more impact than you think.  Another example is at my school we have a computer science society which I am responsible for.  We have a neural network that is run on a Cloud based platform and we use that to peer students to the preferred subject choices.  It is crucial for us to realize resources we want is around us.  We must value this.

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you for sharing your views on the topic.  Now we're also going to listen our own speaker Therese, talking about big tech and small business in Brazil.  And how the youth are leading a paper on the topic? 

>> Therese: Innovation is actually one of my passions, that is what ‑‑ that is the reason I started to do research about Internet Governance.  And I think when we talk about big techs we don't talk about how big techs impact the innovation around the world. 

Why I say that?  One of the first examples I saw, I think you all know the ways, the just for consolidation.  We know the Google Maps was the first and Waze ‑‑ I'm not sure, but it is from a startup from Israel.  And Google Maps some years ago, they bought Waze.  Today, Google Maps and Waze is the same company.  I don't think Google is the problem.  It is doing what Google is supposed to do.  Be the best they can.

We as a society need to do our best and regulation is one of the issues because we cannot allow big jumps to control the innovation around the world.  There is a kind of bubble.  Why I say that?  We have (?) in Brazil.  The problem is that our engineers come from the University thinking about create an app or create apps that is a tech solution that will be sale for big company.

This is a real problem.  At the end of the day who is really controlling the innovation?  Just the Private Sector?  And we need to understand what is the needs of each country or the need of each group and here I can say the youth we are part of the society.  We have our needs. 

I think a big part of the solution is to foster the small and medium companies.  The small and medium business, especially the ones created and founded ‑‑ created by young people, especially the ones that just graduated.  This is really important.  They're innovating and don't have enough money.  And they need to be fostered by someone. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you, Therese.  Now we will speak about policies and recommendations.  Our young panelists have to make on the topic.  How can policies and regulations can be improved to empower the next generation of innovators with the focus on platform accountability and fostering innovative solutions.  And what concrete recommendations do you have that can be made to raise the sustainability of tech solutions for all, particularly in developing countries?  Let's start with Anthony. 

>> Anthony: Thank you, Denise.  For us to foster innovation one thing Therese mentioned, the youth need financial resources.  We always have the brain.  We always have ideas but for us to puts it in action, we need financial resources.  The regulations we're now putting in place, I think they should look into that and think how are we empowering the youth?  Not only saying like we are taking the books, we're having the youth in this project we're having young people in the project.  Not ticking a box.  Because they ask you to help the young people but we have to see how we meaningfully empower them.  (Off mic) they need financial assistance.  That's it for now. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Now let's listen to Shradha, answering and talking on her perspective on this question. 

>> Shradha Pandey: Thank you, Denise.  It was a visual contribution understanding that financial resources is the starting step is very important.  Because especially since the contributions of youth community members are based on our volunteering team.  Our volunteering energy, effort, and hours.  They can only take you so far.  I would like to add on more, with respect to additional human capital or the human resources that need to be stringent to make sure the financial resources and policies implemented to foster innovation are taken forward in the right manner.  When I say we need human resources I'm talking about building digital skills and capacity building of the youth community members and new members joining the Internet Governance Forum and using the Internet every day.  Building digital skills, adoption of new technology, the usage of new technology and development of content goes hand in hand and far way in ensuring innovation that starts from the ground roots level or grassroots and bottom‑up.  What we are seeing is inclusion of digital literacy in formal education on the perspective or idea that it is never too late to learn.  Lifelong learning, these are the ideas and concepts to be strengthened to ensure there is a lot of engagement with digital learning.  In addition to that we're talking about allocation in investment in actual digital initiatives, projects, infrastructure, that deploy and scale up services for the communities.  This can be in the form of public and private digital development services which enable the digital environment for the young people to foster innovation and create them for their suggested incubation labs, anything that works toward mentorship and capacity building of the youth community members.

So when we talk about these, these are the issues that are very important and pertinent to be highlighted in terms of what our understanding and what our analysis has to be in these regards.

So for that, from my end, that's it, thank you, Denise.  Over to you. 

Will.

>> Denise Leal: Thank you, Shradha.  We're going to listen to Ethan on the topic.  Yes?  Will Boris first?  Okay. 

>> Boris: For this question about start with the first point.  About platform accountability, a main part of data is about managing the data.  When we use a platform, all of our data is collected.  I think currently in the biometrics, that will also be collected making a full profile of ourselves.  A main question discussed is the idea of the cookie button.  Every time you click the accept all cookie buttons will means the data will be collected by the platform.  We realize we can click manage the cookies.  Tech companies are making it a difficult process because they want us to give them our data.

For keeping platforms accountable, stop green washing.  Many companies use carbon offsetting, it is proven many do not work.  Hold them more will accountable for data center pollution.  I think there is a lot of talk about data tacks.  The idea of the tax is everything on the Internet is intellectual propertied.

And that is being through the on the neural networks on the Internet.  (?) and we need to hold them accountable for this usage of data, this is not their data

For sustainable solutions what would help youth get involved in the solutions is more funding for youth.  I think Government can do more for youth under age and exercise creative ‑‑ Google colab is a great resource.  Giving resources for students like us, we can have a greater impact.  Thank you. 

>> Ethan: I have nothing to add on. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you.  Now we will listen to our online speakers, please, Osei are you there to address the world?  I ...

>> Osei Manu Kagyah: A lot has been said I will exercise brevity that youth as young people we're at the forefront of innovation and we need to do more effective collaboration, most importantly and bring our energies together.  So I do believe the IGF provided very big platform for all of us to collaborate from India to Hong Kong to Brazil, to Comoros and bring to the next speaker to speak on that. 

>> DENISE LEAL: So please now, we are going to listen to James on the topic.  James please present yourself and give us your views. 

>> James Amattey: Hi, thank you very much my name is James from Ghana.  And to touch a bit on the topic, I believe that some of the panelists have spoken on what the youth can do to develop sustainable initiatives. 

Now, I do believe that inasmuch as we are trying to get the youth, there is still some inexperience that we can learn from preexisting solutions.  So in that sense, we want to be able to call a collaborations with the Government or big firms to be able to help transition the youth into Internet capacity and the knowledge that is required to innovative and run some of the initiatives.  Because the initiatives are difficult to carry on without the collaboration.  Whether it is in terms of capital or in terms of resources.  Whether it is in terms of training.  Whether it is in terms of getting the youth perspective on initiatives, and policies to be able to safeguard the future.  I think collaboration is key in helping us get to where we want to get to in terms of the youth collaboration being sustainable.  Thank you. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you, James.  Now we are going to listen to Nicolas Fiumarelli.  Speaking about the perspective about the questions.  Please Nicolas Fiumarelli go on. 

>> NICOLAS FIUMARELLI: Yes, I think that for example, when you mention about the collaboration between the different platforms, I think it is very important to highlight that this technology advancements are shaping our every move, but we need to know that there is an effort from the Private Sector to do this because of obviously a commercial interest.  But what we are trying to at least from my perspective, what the youth want to have is more an opportunity for creating for example, taking advantage of the collaborations to create the environments and different applications, new ideas that could shape the new innovative solutions and so on. 

So I think that we need to recognize that we are in a new era, a new century and sustainability is not just a collaboration and innovative ideas.  But also about the environment that is very important.  It is a broader spectrum.  And economic sustainability ensure the communities are thriving and are created today and lead to economic pitfalls.  But social sustainability as well.  Ask us to look beyond our circles and look at Global liquidity.  So it is not only benefitting, but everyone.  So we are like always changing topic because we cannot have as we say in the beginning, innovation if we don't have these privilege in the same loop.  The environment is at the core of sustainability, I think, and this, you know, is extreme weather conditions, in our planet, it was mentioned (?) at the beginning.  We have the plans in our ecosystem, and the choices we make today will definitely be the legacy we will leave behind.  What can I do?  I can pose this question to the panelists, (?) to the various ways to support sustainability businesses and for policies that prioritize without west and other things.  The corporate recognizing the profitability of sustainability.  But often the synergies are failing.  Right?  So I put this as a common thing in the panel and see if we can address the challenges. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you, Nicolas Fiumarelli.  Before the speakers start to share your final thoughts I would like to open the mics for the audience to propose questions.  If you wish to? 

So we have any online unanswered question?  This is the moment for it. 

Yes, please go on. 

>> ATTENDEE: As a youth passionate about the specific resources and support would you like policymakers to empower you and your peers in driving technological advancement other than funding.  I heard Boris say funding is a big help.  Any other things, funding would be a good help for your involvement. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Let's listen to the other question.  We will listen to both of them. 

>> ATTENDEE: I'm Peter brook, I'm impressed with this session.  We run the young innovators award around the world for people who are using digital for positive social impact and for achieving the SDGs. 

I was very moved by the presentation and also by the words from our friend here from the Democratic Republic of Congo.  I have a question.  Following his presentation, where he outlined and stressed also a need to learn and to have the capacity to be able to participate in something like the IGF.  And I have a question to the panel here, what would be in terms of a ranking of priorities, most important things which you would need in order to feel that you are actually able to really present the meaningful impact and also have a clear enough understanding of how to make it in terms of this opportunity of youth participation in the IGF?  Thank you. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you for your questions.  So before making more questions and answering, I would like to ask everyone to talk a little slowly and also more clearly.  Out loud.  Because it is reflects on the subtitles and since we were on the other panel we were it was about accessibility.  So we must have accessible subtitles, right?  Thank you for telling us. 

Now, we're going to ‑‑ we have some online questions.  But before the online questions, we are going to answer our on‑site participants.  Please go on.  Who wants to start answering it. 

>> Anthony: I will take the first question.

>> DENISE LEAL: And then Boris.

>> Anthony: Thank you, brother, you said what do we need other than financial resources to be sure we can foster innovation and youth participation?  Actually young people are working around start‑ups and innovative solutions.  Small and middle enterprises with the resources that we can have, that we have.  But sometimes administrative burdens too much to handle for us.

Talking from an entrepreneurship point of view, as a co‑founder of a start‑up in my country.

The kind of administrative paperwork they will ask you as a young people you are lack seriously why are you trying to make the whole thing hard.  You are trying to build an impact and get your own financial resources, while fostering innovation.  But the administrative process can always very tough for young people.  I think that is one other thing that policymakers can help us to ensure that we can build innovation.

So if after ‑‑ other than the administrative paperwork, when we're talking about small and medium enterprises one other thing to mention is also ... sorry.  A second. 

So other than that it is also collaboration.  For a young guy to move from one Region to another one, lastly had troubles going to the Latin American Region.  I cannot access the Visa issues.  It is a big problem for young people.  I don't know what you think about ‑‑ I'm saying about the immigration people.  Maybe they think we're going ‑‑ we will steal or what.  There is more room for collaboration and interregional collaboration.  But our immigration policies are not really helping the collaboration between Regions.  So I think that is one other thing that policymakers can work on to make sure young people can do it.  If I go to Hong Kong and Dennis can come to Congo and easily work on the same product, put research and knowledge together.  There we can foster innovation.  But with all of the immigration problems and mostly affecting the young people, it is very tough.  That is another thing that is we can work on.  And yes, financial resources are also very important in unlock the key solution to that as well.  Thank you. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you Anthony for your answer.  We have Debra online.  Wait just a moment, Debra, Boris is going to answer the other question we had on‑site, then we can have you talking and making your question.

>> Boris: I will try to answer the two questions together, I think they're quite related.  Most important thing for youth to make an impact is knowledge, suitable environment and mentors.  I think knowledge is that knowledge has to be accessible.  So people need to be able to access resources to teach them about new things.  Say we need to learn about the metaverse.  You need to learn about it and wouldn't learn skills of blockchain and other metaverse things.  Secondly is the environment.  With the environment brought by Government policies you wouldn't be able to practice your skills and learn the most updated skills.  Is it increasing the intersection between public, private and Civil Society in Hong Kong which would allow more slab situation rasing between companies and individuals and Government to provide resources that may be training Programmes for the individuals to learn more skills to slowly build themselves up for impact.

Mentors, the power of mentors, I believe young people can exert themselves in using the skills to find the right pace to exert themselves.  A mentor at the company will help individuals like me with greater skills and deliver impact.  For policies, the increased aim of interaction that youth and older people have.  The age gap helps people learn.  People at the forefront of the century teaching skills to youth will help them have the most up‑to‑date information. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you let's listen to Debra.  You have a question? 

>> Deborah: That is perfect, the speaker that just spoke, I know you are talking.  The networking concept.  I want to talk about the networking concept.  I will give you a background and then make an offer for you all.  Because I believe very much in networking and Zoom coffee.  I have a nonprofit in the Hague called find out why dot info?  Too loud or go quicker.  Yes, please, if you can slow down your speech.

>> I will speak online, offline I can see what you are doing and I saw you needed something to change.  Find out why in the Hague, the influencer lab.  All of you are talking about digital literacy.  You can find me on LinkedIn using my name.  Tell me how you met me if you are interested in what I will offer.  One‑to‑one mentoring is one of the things we do.  As I said we're based in the Hague.  I work across all sectors.  And team liquid for those that do video gaming and understand the importance of that in the future.  You are the digital architects of the future.  The one thing I want to be sure to say to you is you have the seniority.  You don't have to wait for the hierarchy to invite you to the table.  Take your seat at the table.  You talk about collaboration, it is about what you said about mentoring.  And allies.  Find out why we're allies for getting a seat at the table and getting you in the door.  Make use.  I'm offering that to you now.  Reach out, you will find out that we're here for you.

I think being in a place of the digital realm with the digital fluency lab and idea of peace in the City of peace and justice, I think we have such aligned values and core ideals on fairness, human rights and trustworthy and data privacy.  It is important, as many speakers said, about how we have to build our own network in a way.  I'm a nontraditional at this.  I was a clothing designer in New York City in the 1980s and 90s.  I know the value chain, the value chain and manufacturing chain.  I have been through a pandemic, the AIDS pandemic and the 9/11.  I come with that gravitas and I offer find out why as a mentor.  Thank you for opening the mic.  I wish you the best.  Believe in yourself.  Trust yourself.  Last point to make.

Find out why we talk about trustworthy.  We don't believe youth have a problem with trust we understand youth understand betrayal than any other generation in recent history.  You have the gravitas, flex on it.  So I say that and just really want to applaud all of you.  Thank you so much. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you for your considerations and also your questions.  We are now going to listen to our speakers making their final thoughts and also answering your question.  Let's start with Nicolas Fiumarelli.  Please, we only have seven minutes more.  And we are going out without subtitles, so let's go fast with it.  Everyone.  Go on Nicolas Fiumarelli. 

>> NICOLAS FIUMARELLI: A few reflection points also about the question on the youth.  The role of the youth in the Internet Governance, you know, that the idea like fresh perspective on the challenges and it is essential to have youth participation in Forums like IGF because we can express our concerns and inspiration and challenges.  Also we have seen in the panelists, the younger generation in developing countries is often at the forefront of the digital innovation or grassroots campaigns sometimes.  Participation is a way to highlight the realities or share.  As digital natives, the youth have a keen interest in the technological backbone of the Internet.  This sustainable practice is not just an afterthought but innovated.  By forming Alliances or partnerships as mentioning, between the Regions as well.  We can share our experiences and make the collective voices more stronger in the international Forums.  Finally, just to mention a few more things is like often more environmentally conscious can be catalyst for driving sustainable practice in the tech industry and IGF is focus on mentorship and young individuals or ensuring they have the appropriate skills and knowledge to contribute effectively to discussions.  That is like the active participation of the youth in Internet Governance is super related with advancing sustainability because ensuring the digital future is not only sustainable and inclusive we have seen it, but also resonating with the aspirations and concerns of our generation will be most impacted by it.  Thank you. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you, Nicolas Fiumarelli.  Now, let's go for the final considerations of James. 

>> James Amattey: Yes, thank you very much.  I believe I am at a slower pace now.  So first of all, I would like to say that the youth are currently the forefront of the digital economy and we are closer to most of the problems.  So I think that I'm actually grateful for platforms like this where we can share our knowledge, share our experiences and our point of view to be able to communicate that across.

Now, it is imperative for us to also take the initiatives to come to the forefront to share our views.  Sometimes it can be very intimidated because we believe we lack experience.  But I do believe that keeping quiet is not the way to go. 

Our thoughts and our are necessary to progress current conversations.  I also like the fact that the other generation is now more open to offer mentorship to the younger ones so we can learn and be a good (?) on this.  I do believe that we can capitalize from this platform to be able to develop various initiatives.  Thank you very much for having me.  And all of us. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you James.  And Osei, let's go for your final considerations.  I don't see Osei.  Maybe he's gone already.  Okay, I think Shradha has an Internet issue.  And will not be able to speak now.  And we are going to our on‑site speakers considerations now.  Please, let's begin with Anthony.

>> Anthony: Thank you, Denise.  The youth is ready to participate.  The youth is arrest to foster innovation.  With the zeal we have, we are ready to build sustainable innovation.  So whatever we need, we are going to go for it.  Whether it is a seat at the table whether it is not given, whether it is the research, we are trying in our own way to find this that we're talking about the environment to make it good enough for us to build that innovation.

So what I would say as a parting remark is to encourage everybody, whether you are legal practitioner or whether you are a software engineer like me, to continue to build that sustainability.  Even if you don't have all the requirements even if the environment is not big enough.  Start small, continue in a small way and fight for what you want.  That would be it for me, thank you. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you.  Therese.

>> Therese: I will follow what he said.  I think sometimes we behave as more participation and more diversity would be a cool and beautiful, but it is not about that.  Is it a need.  We need more people.  We need different kind of people.  Because we have problems.  Complex problems.  We need to think more quickly and profound about problems.  We cannot solve the problems without bringing to the table people who ‑‑ people who have been affected by the problems.  And we need ‑‑ I think he is not here anymore, but in this question he asked something about our priorities.  And I our kind of ranking of what are the youth priorities.  I think one of the priorities would be really be able and invited to participate into the decisions because we have been invited into participation into the discussion.  This is not enough.  We need to be part of the decision as well.  And our ideas and our thoughts, what we have been fine.  We have done research and we have been seen and facing experiences that really could help.  But we ‑‑ if you are not even really listening.  If people don't take our ideas, this is bad for everyone.  So this is my final thought.  I thank you to be here.  And that's it. 

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you.  Now we're going to end the session with Boris and Ethan.  Please go on. 

>> Ethan: Before I say anything, I want to thank Denise and Nicolas Fiumarelli to invite me and Boris to the discussion.  Which is my pleasure.  And in my opinion, not only youth but everyone here no matter how old are you or no matter how young are you, we can make impact to the world and let the world become more sustainable.  Our goal is Sustainable Development Goals, this is our common goals that we want to achieve.  I believe that if every one of us cooperation together, no matter your age or sex we can cooperate together and make this world more and more better.  That's all, thanks.

>> Ethan: To end on a positive light, I learned a lot from the experience and it is successful.  And hopefully everyone is collaborative and everyone no matter their age can make a change in their own communities.

>> DENISE LEAL: Thank you for finalizing it, we had a comment on the chat.  It is Andrea, talking about the project that they have to include youth on the policy process and bridge gaps between youth and decision‑makers.  It is youth for our data future.  Please follow them on their website, let's keep this beautiful work.  We count on you for a better community for the IGF community.  Thanks, everyone, for being here. 

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