The following are the outputs of the real-time captioning taken during the Twelfth Annual Meeting of the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Geneva, Switzerland, from 17 to 21 December 2017. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the event, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.
>> CHAIRMAN: Two minutes. Two minutes. Two more minutes. All right. Please grab your seats. Please grab your seats. Please grab your seats.
>> SPEAKER: Good morning, everyone.
>> CHAIRMAN: All right, everyone. Please grab your seats. If you can hear me, clap once. If you can hear me, clap twice. If you can hear me, clap three times. Wonderful. Please grab your seats. That's good.
>> SPEAKER: Good morning, everyone. Good morning, everyone.
>> Everyone: Good morning.
>> SPEAKER: How is everyone today? Good. Nice to see all your faces. Thank you. I heard that.
So I have responsibility for the leadership and learning Alejandra.
Good morning, Alejandra.
>> Good morning.
>> SPEAKER: I have responsibility for the sponsorship and leadership. And to those who I have not met yet, hello. And hello to everyone else as well. The internet society has been putting together this collaborative exchange for at least five years. Our very first one was here in this building at the internet society's 20th anniversary celebration. And we've been doing this co‑located with IGF for at least four years now and Chris has been with us for three years. So I am delighted he is back. The reason that we do this is to build community. This is part of what we're committed to and it's one way to do that. Right? So that before we all go into a full week at IGF, it gives everyone a chance to meet other people and to meet as peers. Right now I consider myself a talking head talking to all of you. But this is really all about one to one dynamic conversation so you can form relationships and also so that we all get comfortable hearing our own voices. I wanted to acknowledge first of all, we have many of our youth at IGF and Ambassadors. That is related tod hard work that Alejandra and Neil do. It really takes a village to make fellowship programs happen. And I want to congratulate each of you who has been selected because we had more than 700 applicants for the youth@IGF program. And (inaudible) for the Ambassadors at IGF. How many?
>> CHAIRMAN: 300. So we run competitive programs. You should take a moment and congratulate each others for that.
I want to turn it back over to Chris. I am excited about the day today. I know how this process goes and it's always exciting to see the outcomes. So again, thank you to Alejandra and Neil for all of the work that it takes. I work with them, but even I don't know all the details and I hear little bits and pieces and to those who are not part of that program, welcome as well. We're really glad to have you here. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: All right. Microphones on tables. You can hear me? Can you still hear me?
>> CHRIS: That's good. Roll your shoulders back, everybody. It's early. How many of you are feeling not in this time zone right now? That's good. How many of you want to be connected to the internet at this moment? We start this on day 0 to make sure you all build some connections and ideally take little bits, little pearls of insight from each other so you can advance your work when you return home.
So one of the things we offer for this CLX, today the arc of our time together, this means will be caffeine. It will be right outside here. We will have a break at 11:00 and we need to leave here right around 1:45 because there's another gathering coming here at 2 o'clock. So in between that time, we will not have any presentations. What we're going to try to make sure is that you are talking with each other about the things that matter most to you. Does that sound nice? Yes.
Now, the challenge with this is what are the observations of this room? Any? It's a little bit ever a lecture hall. The chairs are a little bit heavy. It's not so ideal for small group conversations. But we know you're creative and as you look around, you can see a few of these white boards. These are designed to help us with our conversation circles. How many of you know what I mean when I say conversation circle? Raise your hand high? A few of us. Okay. Well, I hacked into their computer and I'll give you a little (?). That means a strong word. It's not really true. So conversations circles. What we do each year is we invite each of you, anyone can host a conversation circle. They will be 45 minutes long. These are not trainings or workshops or presentations. These are designed when you come with a question or a challenge you want, feedback or discussion with your peers here about. We eight people have volunteered already to host those conversation circles. We will start with this first round and we're going to jump right N. but a few tips here on conversation circles. First, if you're someone who always has something to say all the time you're ready, raise your hand. It's okay. I see us. I'm one of these people. Yeah. Today friend, I will invite you to take three deep breaths before you speak. Right? If you're someone who likes to hold back and listen and really think and really, really make sure you're going to say the perfect thing, please raise your hand. Yes. We love you. Today though, I'm going to invite to you just jump in. The goal of these conversation circles, what makes them successful is that every voice, each person's wisdom is included. So if we find where one person might be taking up a lot of space, take a moment and say I think we heard. Let's see who else has something to say. You're going to spend days of listening to panel presentations prepared. This is a time to dialogue and exchange with each other. Does that sound nice? Yeah. You all are leaders, global leaders in this space. So we hope that you're ready to talk with one another. Now the nice thing if you are thinking about hosting a conversation, the beauty is all you need is one clear question for the group. And when we're in these conversation circuits, you just come back do that. Does that make sense? Super simple. Now, the only challenge, time. It's not going to be enough time. You will give these conversations 45 minutes and we're going to need you to have a 10‑minute notification. Time is coming to a close and what we want you as conversations host to come back with are 1 to 3 top recommendations, ideas, reflections that we're going to hear from the entire group. This is not going to be a recital of the things, but just one or two things you think everyone should know. Are you excited? All right. Deep breath, everyone. One more. You see this? What do you think this means? Five minutes. Five minutes. This means when you see this, we need to be back in our chairs here in five minutes so we can hear the report. We will let you all use the space. If you want to meet outside, you can do that. If you want to move chairs in here, you can do that. I'll be walking around, but stay on this floor five minutes and we need to make sure we're back. I will let you know when that is, but I will help you with the time. Are we ready? Question? Yes.
>> (speaking) (low voice)
>> CHRIS: What's your name? Okay. How do we know which conversations are their options and how do we choose them? This is what we're about to do. For those offering to host a conversation circle, you can please stand. Yes. I have you on e‑mail. So I know your names. Be careful. Friends, if you can come up to the front here, you will come right around to the front of the room. Uh‑huh. I'm just going to read out. This is the most fun part. All right. So how this is going to work and if you feel inspired, you too can host a conversation right now. But how this is going to work is each person is going to speak in the microphone and, friends, what we want is your one sentence invitation that you prepared. Join me to discuss whatever you would like. You all have a tough job because you need to think about your first choice and second choice for your conversation. The thing about these conversation circles, we cannot have more than 15 people in a conversation. It just won't be a useful 45 minutes. All right. Does this make sense? I see a question. Miss?
>> CHRIS: You may join. Let's start this party perfect. All right. Are you all feeling ready? Can we give them a big round of applause these folks?
All right. I will have a piece of paper and write a key word. I will pass around to each conversation host. Then they're going to spread out into different areas and you are going to gather with your most valuable possessions and go to those conversation circles. That's how this is going to go. Are you ready? All right. One more round of applause before we hear them.
Okay. If you can please step to the mic, say your name and join me too and your invitation.
>> Good morning. I'm Jaya. I'm from Kenya and I'm an ISOC with IGF. I'd like you to join me in how good leadership can promote gender access and inclusion in our communities. You're welcome. I already have two people who volunteered to co‑host with me. That is Bruna and Alicia. So join our conversation.
>> Hi. I'm Katie. I'm from the United States and I hope that you'll join me today to discuss automation artificial intelligence and the effect on future work force.
>> Good morning. My name is Bry. I'm from Indonesia. I would like you to join my session and talk about how we can get money about Internet and what's the catch. Thank you.
>> Hi, everyone. I'm Rebecca from Tanzania. Join me in sharing ideas on how to force access to digital device. Thank you.
>> Hello, everyone. My name is Ken. I invite you to join me and share tips on how to tackle the traits of social media information.
>> Ladies and gentlemen. Can you see me?
>> But I cannot see you. Because of Internet, because of technology, I am here. Today I'd like to discuss about the inclusive internet governance/physical inclusion. You are invited to talk with me. Thank you.
>> Hi, everyone. I'm Hannen. Today I want to talk about Internet of things, privacy problem in Internet of things, what are the scenarios and what should we do to make new regulation or best practices to deal with this problem.
>> CHRIS: I wrote for everyone here. So we have privacy. It says inclusion. Yes. Okay. All right. Does everyone have their first choice? Does everyone have their second choice? Okay. This is very important. The second choice is very important. What I'm going to invite is if you two would go to the back two corners and choose a flip chart, you're going to stay right here with money.
I'm going to invite you with the privacy. You will stay with inclusion. Privacy. You will stay right here. Perfect. And then fake news. You can grab that flip chart. We will have you write the flip charts. And you can stand right here, sir. Okay. Any confusion on the options? Yeah. Yes. All right. How this is going to go, we are currently 45 minutes ‑‑ help me with the time. That will take us to 10:30. We will be back in our seats here at 10:30. That's the aim. Does that sound good? Yes. I love these questions. Friends, do not switch meetings. Stay in your conversation. What happens when we switch is then all of a sudden we have to introduce what's happening. Please stay in them. Embrace them. The big challenge for all of you seated is this next round after break, we're hoping at least 7 to 10 of you come with your conversations. So let this spark you on the count of three, get all your belongings, grab them with and you find your conversation. 1, 2, 3. All right, everyone. All right. Everyone, just one second. If you can hear me, clap once. If you can hear me, clap twice. If you can hear me, clap three times. All right. So before we get started, I want to invite the larger groups. You're going to want to get comfortable. So you may want to choose to be here or choose an area where you can sit outside. And remember we're going to bring back one to three highlights from the conversation at 10:45. That's your main objective. Have fun and we'll see you at what time? 10:30. Beautiful.
>> So we need to (?) (Multiple speakers at once)
>> CHRIS: All right. Please grab your seats. Please grab your seats. All right. Grab a seat. All right. Grab a seat please. Grab your seat, please. All right. If you can hear me, clap once. If you can hear me, clap twice. If you can hear me, clap three times. Grab your seats. All right. It's nice to see the room getting more full. So we're going to try something. Everyone raise your hand. Raise your hand. Beautiful. What we're going to do the rest of the day when you see my hand or anyone else's hand go up, you're going to keep your hand up. And we're going to close our mouths. Good. So hard to get 75 people to get back together. Can we try that just one more time? Make a lot of noise. (noises being made). Nice. We can do this. A couple things. Welcome to those new to the room. We're so glad to have you. What's going to happen here is we're going to hear some report backs, just highlights from the first round of conversations. We will take a coffee, tea, biobreak and then we're going to come back for our second round of conversations. Before we do, that how many of you learned something new in this last conversation? Raise your hand. That's what we're talking about. Fantastic. How many of you wanted to continue the conversation? Uh‑huh. We want that too. So a couple things on these rounds of conversation. If you want to continue, you could host a round again. You don't have to, you know, stay with one round. However, I noticed ‑‑ how many of you saw a little bit debate starting in your group conversation? Raise your hand. I want to note something. Today is not a good day for debates. Generally when we have debates, it's maybe one or two people, three people who are really opinionated and they want to battle while wasting other people's time. Have you been one of those conversations before and then you're stuck there and you can't leave? So what we want to do is this is a yes and day. So if someone has a good perspective, that's good. Here's my perspective and then we move on. But what I'd love you to do ‑‑ how many of you like debating? Anyone else? Good. You're in the right room, but what is going to happen is the debates will happen over coffee and the rest of the days here. Does that sound liked greater good? Fantastic. What we will do with the report backs is we will hear one, two or three of the conversations. You just press the button and your mic goes live. You will see it light up red. What we would like you to do is say your name and what was the conversation that you were part of. Sound good? All right. I'm going to invite who would like to go first. We'll start over here in the corner. Yes, sir.
>> SPEAKER: I am the person. We had the excluded group gather together. That means persons with disability and to (?). There is not many people joining us as we are always excluded. So we have discussed three important point. One, we need to promote physical inclusion to insure people with disabilities, (?) disability, indigenous people and we ask you copyrights should not be opinion for accessing Internet, for the citizen of disabilities including women, people with disabilities and marginalized group. And we recommend to (?) for insuring accessible books for all. Lastly, we discussed about innovation. Innovation to promote innovation to (inaudible), to insure the inclusion for all marginalized groups because it can only the solution that innovation is the solution for insuring inclusive Internet. Thank you very much. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: All right. Thank you.
How about our next group. We will stay on this side as we go back. Our next group. Anyone over here? On your right report back perhaps on privacy.
>> So for the group, we're talking about privacy within the Internet of things. We think that we should clarify and identify the part of risk responsibility between different actors mainly users, designers, business actors and government agencies. Once we identify the part of responsibility, we think for the end users, we have to raise more awareness what they're sharing as data, personal data, how their data can be used and work on giving best practices when they are dealing with Internet in general and internal things in particular. We think also that for industry designers and developers, they should provide more transparency on the technology design they are working on and know more control for users on their personal data that they are collecting. Also, there should be a critical mindset on the developers. As well, we think that we should push forward the work both on industry to build up industry best practices and standards and on the legal side. That's for our side. Thank you very much.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
Anyone else on this side? I'm going to invite the fake news group. We'll go by flip charts. Yes, please.
>> Thank you. So we had a discussion on the way out to deal with the traits opposed by this information campaign social media platforms. So basically we discussed three questions. The first one is was the driving factor for the right of (?) social media. The second one was whether it poses unit trade to countries that have a religious and ethnic diversity. And the third one was in relation on the way out to deal with this new trait. So we have identified three levels of solutions in dealing with this matter. The group agree that the primary solution is in raising awareness basically through community education at many levels. So in raising awareness about the way to use the internet for stream housing communication discussion and social media platforms is the first level of solution that we thought is good. The second is personal and corporate responsibility. So once you told the youths and the public on the way out how to use social media for social good, then it's up to that person, that individual and the entities not engaging in those information campaigns. So when personal and corporate responsibility fails, the third tile solution counts as regulation, but since state regulation in the Internet context often fails since Internet is transnational, so we thought multi‑stakeholder brings state and corporations and other civil societies would be a solution in facing these three. These are the three solutions we think must be taken together in dealing with the three figures. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
I like the trivecta solutions getting it down. All right. Let's go with the bridging divide here that was also in this corner. Yes, please.
>> My name is Zachar and our group was various to access to digital divide. Our group, we were the smallest group among all here which actually means that not many people are interested in these in half of the world which is not connected to the Internet. That is because if you don't have Internet, you won't have artificial intelligence problems through internet. You won't have privacy issues and human rights issues. So we actually tried to classify the digital divide in various into your different classes. The first one was access and infrastructure and the second one was language and localization of the content on the Internet. The third one was skill gap that exists between the skill gap that exists and the fourth one was the cost to access the Internet. So within class we discussed, a number of solutions that would possibly help overcome the divide in the access to infrastructure and the first one we discussed there could be policy options to overcome the digital divide, the ITUs and universal services obligation is a policy option to work on the digital divide and we have innovative technologies coming in which are helping overcome the divide. That is for example, using the visible dividend of one gigahertz which is for rolling out community networks. So again the community network itself is a solution to overcome the digital divide. In the language, we discussed that localization of the mobile applications of the softwares and of the hardwares even the keyboards local languages can possibly help the local divide. Then the skill gap that exists and in the efforts, trainings and stuff like that can definitely help overcome the digital divide and the cost to access we discussed a number of examples where, you know, the universal services funds have been used in countries to subsidize the Internet access cost for people who are not in a position to pay high cost for bandwidth access and internet access stuff. So, I mean, we discussed these different classes of challenges and then the possible solution that could help overcome the digital divide and that's it from our side. By the way, everybody's welcome to reach out to us and discuss these things to have a debate on this.
>> CHRIS: Nice.
All right. Let's go ahead and go around the room. My eyesight is not good, but what was the group back here in the corner? Who is ready to report back on that. Yes, please.
>> We were discussing gender inclusion. We were discussing how to include women in leadership positions and having a gender neutral discussion about how should we find solutions to addressing some of the problems which were violence against woman, changing a mindset and wage, prevent us from going align or applying for some job positions and some opportunities that we face often and also we ended up trying to list some solutions. We ended up with 13 solutions and not going to make you through them, but if we could list the most important ones would be talking to getting more women engaged in policy making and also in decision making positions just so we don't have men discussing maternity leave to us. And other than that, we discussed a lot and found a lot of solutions around sorority. So stop fostering competition among us, also helping and empowering other women and ‑‑
>> Yes. Increasing capacity building as well and raising awareness and including everyone in the conversations and in designing the solutions. Also men including men in the discussions from the early beginning. That's it.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
And how about back in this corner?
>> So we were the group on automation and artificial intelligence and we ended up breaking this into three buckets. The benefits, challenging and solutions. Both of these things will have serious benefits. As far as benefits goes, there is going to be increased efficiency and quality. There will be a lot of safety and health improvements for helps and there will be time for meaningful work, but the challenges are that there's going to be huge cost of retraining. There's not a lot of political foresight to deal with the issues right now because politicians tend to be short sighted. The speed of change is so much faster than any other revolution we had before is a really big challenge. Then there's also the kind of crossover between challenges and solutions is the redefinition of work. So if we actually have a revolution of automation in the way we think we might, we will have to redefine how people think of themselves in a posed to work world. In a short term, we will need a lot more education both for students and teachers to not only be aware this is happening and this is coming, but how they fit into this new world. And for adults currently in the work force, we'll need to retrain them so they're actually prepared for the jobs available and the jobs that are placed in the work they're doing now. Also we had an interesting conversation about redefinition of work and retraining where we think there will need to be training to teach people how to just be. So if your purpose is not tied to a 9:00 to 5:00 job, taking another look at what makes you a human. It was a really interesting conversation. Thanks, everybody with chatting.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
All right. Let's swing it over to the money corner. What did you all discuss?
>> From the money corner, we discussed ‑‑ we actually narrowed it down to three activities of collecting money and getting money. First is e‑Commerce and second will be social media. You can see in a YouTube, you can see people cooking and doing make up. All of the three having best line problem because we deal with the intellectual property issue and false advertisement, fraud and also if I list, sometimes violation to (?) as well. We understand that the problems first will be the issue on the existence of the innovation itself by the government. Second problem is on regulation and perspectives on how this is growing and the necessity to have super (?) but not limited to the internet. Of course solution to the problem would know to raising awareness and demanding the government to recognize that such innovation is now in front of our face and we have to have this and to make a benefit of it. And second would be to develop best practice to create trust on the ‑‑ what online activity is and developing best practice instead of making a universal policy because universal policy would be difficult because of jurisdictional issue and (?) issue. That one would be making a supervision, but not limiting. Its limit Internet activity would not be the purpose of having Internet and improving our vision and capability. That would be it.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
All right. I'm going to invite all the hosts to please stand. If you hosted a conversation, please stand. You did a great job volunteering. We thank you for jumping. Give them a round of applause, please.
Awesome. All right.
You can all hear me? You're good. You're welcome to stand, if you want. Can you hear me if I stand this far? Great. A couple things here. One, small conversations are a lot easier. So this isn't a popularity contest. I don't want to have that approach. What we want is to make sure that there's a lot of collaboration. How many of you felt like we got a lot of ideas, but we didn't go deeper. I would have liked to gone deeper on an issue. Anybody feel that way? A few folks? That can happen. What I'm going to invite you as we go to break is think about a few things. If you want to take some of the conversation you had and actually go a little deeper on policy or particular practices you're doing, there is some really good examples of solutions. If you want to go deeper, think about that. Also, when we come up here after break, I'd like to see 10 to 15 people hosting conversations. So this is a time. Think about what peeked your interest this morning. Hopeful I you got your energies flowing and what would you want to propose next round. We aren't looking for one large circle of 20 people. What we'd like is have many conversations that are super interesting and important to you individually. Does this make sense? Are you with me? When you're at a conference, you don't have to sit and listen in a Powerpoint conversation, but you can really engage. For all you debaters, feel free. I really want to discuss this with other opinionated people who don't agree with me because I want to challenge my beliefs and values. Does this make sense? Okay. Are you ready for a little bit of a bio break? Coffee perhaps? We have a gift for you. We can thank Neil but also getting you some internet access information. Give him a round of applause.
It is case sensitive. You may use this during break, but about we come back, if I see you on your Internets, I'm going to be heartbroken. So please get your e‑mails and your Instagrams and coordinations done. We will take a 25‑minute break. We will come back at 11:20. We'll see you back here at 11:20.
>> Have you soon this driving like turning? So, one thing ‑‑ I'm from New York. So sometimes I talk really fast and it's not fair for those that don't speak English. So if you have this today and someone gets very passionate, Katie, someone gets very passionate and they're talking fast, try this with me. Try it. Slow it down. Slow it down. All right.
I've got another one for you. How many of you know what this is? Turn the volume up. Up. So when we're in a conversation and it might be hard to hear someone, just turn the volume up. I doubt you're going to be turning the volume down in this gathering. I'm just guessing. How was coffee? Feeling caffeinated? Everybody take a deep breath. All right. One more. Now, we invite you to CLX for your feed. This was my humor. But so you're got your Internet and then also the ISOC team has different hashtags if you'd like to use it. I think if you find something that's really a pearl of insight or brilliance, go ahead and capture that. Again, we're not here for you to do e mail during break, but you're welcome to do it. For our next round of conversation, don't stand yet, but raise your hand if you're ready to host a conversation. How many do we have? Raise your hand so I can see. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. I like it. Fantastic. The way that this works is our friends and colleagues are going to invite you to join them for a conversation. It's going to be a 45‑minute conversation and the goal of these is to have a focused conversation where everyone is included. It's not a training. It's not a presentation. It's not a debate. What the job though of sharing one or two key highlights from that conversation so we can get an idea of what happens. We'll close this door in a moment. A couple of considerations. Small groups are a little bit easier and often more productive. And the other thing is I don't want to you feel confined to this room. Does that make sense? This space is big. There's a cafe. There are chairs to sit. You can stand. You saw where we had coffee and tea break. If you want to stand and move around, feel free. I don't want you to feel constrained. Does that sound good? Are you ready for the second round? All right. Ladies and gentlemen who want to host a conversation, come up. Please give them a round of applause as they come up.
All right. So the way this is going to work, I'm going to give each person a key word with a post it note so you can remember. Oh, yeah. We've got a crowd. Come on in. Nice. Beautiful. All right. And so folks who are going to host, he's an encouragement. How many of you have your one‑sentence invitation ready? That's good. I like this honesty. That's fair. What I'd love to see this round is as much specificity as possible. So join me to discuss privacy at this round maybe not be optimal. Maybe privacy in relation to youth. Let's go a little bit deeper and once you introduce your topic, if you can just step all the way down and I'll pass you a fantastic piece of paper that basically no one can read because my handwriting is not great. All right. Are we ready? What's your job? Listen and what else?
>> CHRIS: Your job is prioritize your top three conversations and you need to remember the person who introduced it because it is going to be challenging at the end. So listen intently and get your top three ready. Host, please say your name and your one sentence invitation. Thank you.
>> Hi. I'm Bruna and join me for discussing challenging to proper youth inclusion on Internet Governance.
>> Hi. I'm Josephine from Kenya. I invite to you discuss community networks in facility access.
>> Hi. I'm (?) from India. Join me to discuss ethical AI, what it looks like right now, what we expect it to look like and how do we get there.
>> Hi. I'm Henry. Join me to discuss copyright for the Internet generation.
>> Join me to discuss generated content.
>> Hi. I'm Brunwin. Join me to discussed benefits and challenge of using the doc web for the average citizen.
>> Join me to discuss how to implement modernized solutions and DAI.
>> Hi, everyone. Join me to discuss about underneath development through digital materials.
>> Hi. I'm Adora from Nigeria. Join me to discuss youth to participate in data protection and privacy.
>> Hello. I'm Esther. Join me to discuss how online volunteering results gender problems in local communities.
>> Hi. I'm from Kenya. Please join me in a conversation about initiatives improving Internet access and how to go about the creation of one. Thank you.
>> Hello. I'm Christina. I'm from Nicaragua. Join me on human rights.
>> Hello, everyone. I would like to join you with a discussion of how Internet access and Internet will proceed is equally important as our mostly focused on Internet access rather than Internet literacy.
>> (?) in IT. (sound cutting in and out).
>> CHRIS: Observations. A lot of options. Am I right? Yes. How many of you are interested in hosting a conversation for a third round out here? Just out of curiosity. 1, 2, 3, 4. Good to know. 5. So what we're going to do, the beauty of this you're going to go to your primary choice. You're going to know your second and third choice. Friends who are hosting, I want you to know something very important. This is the hardest line up I've seen all year for the size to ratio. I do this at least two times a month. If you get one or two people, celebrate it. It is a beautiful thing. You all are leaders in this conversation and space. So celebrate. It's not the size of the group. It's the motivation. So and if by chance if you don't have a partner this round, save it because there's a third round. Does that make sense? Okay. So friends from here over, I will invite you to go along that wall. So if you all can walk and spread out so people can find you. Yep. All the way along the wall. Give yourself a little space so people can find you. You're going to do the exact same if you would. I know this side is a little harder. Maybe a couple of you can stay here. Maybe three of you stay here. Perfect. Good. All right. We are going to come back into the room and be seated and ready to hear some report back at 12:15. Because of the number of group report backs, I will look for one or two quick highlights. One or two quick highlights. What time are we coming back here? One more time. What time are we back here? 12:15. All right. Find your conversation partner and grab your belongings with you. You might choose to walk and stand somewhere else.
All right. Please grab a seat. Thank you. All right. We're going to get started. My favorite with the hands is this one. And you keep talking. That's my favorite. That's good. Thank you all for helping out with that. All right. Please grab a seat so we can make sure we can get you all to lunch on time. Come on in. All right. How is that conversation? Awesome? Did you meet somebody new?
>> Everyone: Yes.
>> CHRIS: Fantastic. How many of you have met somebody new that you want to keep in touch with outside of today? Good. One of the things that ‑‑ all right, folks. We will go ahead and grab a seat, please. You can exchange cards later. You'll have time. One of the things that we found to be very successful is making sure that you are advocating for yourself. This is an elite group of folks. You have a lot of lib experience and expertise. So our hope is you already have your list of top five people you're going to be following up with. How many of you have your top five lists already? That's a problem. So by the end of this session, think about it. Who are the folks you want to make sure you follow up with because you're going to meet lots of people over the next couple of days. So you might as well take advantage. All right.
So, folks, in the back there, go ahead and grab a seat please. Thank you. As you can imagine how many conversations do you think we had? Was it 14 maybe? 15? So for all of the persons who are going to report back, what we're going to do is we're going to embrace silence as we hear these reports back. It's going to be a challenge. I know in us. Can we do this? Awesome. And for folks who are going to report back, we will ask you to share one top highlight or reflection from your conversation. We don't have time for the full detailed report back. So we want to hear one top highlight or reflection. So if you can share your name, what the conversation circle was and the top reflection or highlight. It's not easy, is it? It's painful. But we're going to try this. And to make it a little bit more interesting this round, when your conversation host is reporting back or the report back, please stand if you are part of that conversation so we can see who we may want to follow up with to learn more of what happened in that conversation. Does that make sense? All right. It's like a fun musical game of report backs.
What we're going to do is start on this side. If you're planning to report back, please raise your hand. Okay. Great. For those who are not positive, you have a little time to figure that out. What we're going to do here is use the microphone, your name, what conversation you're a part of and your main report back. If you're a part of that group, start out.
>> Henry. Copyrights. It is (?) unfeasible to not have it.
>> CHRIS: All right. Anyone in this row? Please.
>> Hi. I'm Brunwin and I'm from the dot net group.
>> CHRIS: Everyone from the darknet please stand. We'll put the light on you for a moment.
>> So the main benefits of the Dark Net for the average citizen are freedom of speech and privacy. Some major challenges include lack of accountability and hate speech.
>> CHRIS: Thank you. Next group. Yeah.
>> Hi. I'm from the ethical AI group. The main take away from the conversation was that when the ethics are unquestionable, it is possible to economically incentivize companies to make sure the AI agents follow those ethics, but when it is not, it's just plainly impossible. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> Hello. My name is Sandra. I'm from the AI Autozation solutions group. We talk a lot about education ‑‑
>> CHRIS: Please stand. It's going to be helpful when you look at people you're talking to about what you're interested. These are people you can talk to at lunch.
>> We came to a conclusion there was a lot to be done in those areas.
>> CHRIS: Thank you. Yes.
>> Hello. Tim, stand.
Okay. Hi. I'm (?) from the Grass Roots initiatives. We talked about how they improve access and we believe they do a great job in improving digital citizenship. And finding and registration. So we are positive about what they'll do and we hope they will create more. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> Hello. My name is Amed. We have discussed some very important challenges and what we believe is an Internet access and Internet literacy should go hand in hand as it is a very big challenge. People without Internet literacy cannot use it to its maximum potential. That's what we believe.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> Hi. I am Bruna. I was with the engagement group. Hi, guys. We were discussing ‑‑ we started with youth engagement and then we all concluded that somehow we were failing to explain Internet to other people especially newcomers and how to get them. And on this whole house engagement newcomers, we face the highlight of our conversation which were application processes like the firms often very long in English and it's made at least in our opinion to sort of exclude people that don't either speak their language or have this technical vocabulary. So this was it.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> Hi. My name is Christina. My group we talked about human rights and digital rights. For finished discussion, we asked that the internet access is human rights. We had five people that say that the Internet access of human rights and one person say that it is not human rights and another guy Is that we made about. That was interesting.
>> CHRIS: One person did what? Sorry. Declined to vote?
>> Christina: I cannot say who it was.
>> CHRIS: Okay. All right. Please.
>> (Speaking non‑English language)
>> Hi. We had a little language issue, but we tried to ‑‑ we tried to connect. We were just ‑‑ we're just three people. So I tried to translate the French to English and English to French. But mainly, we discussed about fake news and the first thing ‑‑ the first solution he came with was using AI to identify ‑‑ to fact checking actually.
>> (Speaking non‑English language)
>> Okay. Really quickly because we're out of time, but mainly we talked about education and people thinking to develop awareness from people. The next one was about social media. So people educated and critical thinking can be responsible to what they share online and the last thing, the last comment was about doing that at a really young age as well. So you can try to use education as a way to fight for this information we have.
>> CHRIS: Thank you for translating. What's your name, please?
>> CHRIS: Let's give Paula a round of applause. Thank you so much. Next group. Yes.
>> Hi. My name is Adora and I'm from the group talking about huge involvement and understanding. Can my group members stand, please? Okay. So, um, the key challenges that we noted where those of young people who understand the threats with regards to a lot of information online, but disregarded because they want to look cool and they want to have access to social networks and we also have children who do not understand at all. Then the solutions that we came up with was better data protection and privacy laws like the EUGDPR which is to start in January. And we have really young people in schools and universities so that they understand better workshops, debates on privacy issues so that they understand the threats and take appropriate measures to protect themselves.
>> CHRIS: Perfect. Thank you. Paula? Paula? Can you silence your mic there? Thank you. All right. Beautiful. All right.
Next group. Yes, please.
>> My name is Josephine and our group was presenting on community networks, discussing community networks. So we discussed about the roll of community networks and connecting them and connected and what we agreed on is building sustainability and that is terms of funding policy, and this is what community networks is sustainable and successful.
>> CHRIS: Thank you. Next group. Yes, please.
>> Good afternoon. My name is Basil Mortar. These are my group members. We discussed youth development and major point we talked about was that the youth should be trained in information communication and technology skills to enable them use these skills to enhance development in their communities and at the world at large. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Thank you, Basil.
>> Hello. I'm Esther and I'm with the volunteering group. We're discussing how online volunteering results problems in local communities. Online volunteering is a powerful tool in changing our societies and making them more inclusive. Because issues online like access, gender and equality and bullying are a reflection of our online societies. There is a misguided belief that it is lead to and not effect. It does. For example, the LAS packet challenge so some solutions we found is the U.N. volunteering platform where anyone from anywhere in the world can join to volunteer and this online volunteering you can go to online volunteering.org and Connect to organization like mine to global volunteers. In this way, local projects can become global and make a global solution. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> So we discussed user challenger content. There's a lot of hinderance when it comes to copyright especially. So copyright can be used with little to no regard for ‑‑ for what the content is. So our main idea was to create a block chain basically around copyright so that enforcement and the free use of content can be easily monitored.
>> CHRIS: Great. Thank you. See some connections in these report backs. Is there another group? Whoa. Okay. All those conversation hosts, can you please stand so we can celebrate you for a moment. You can please stand if you hosted a conversation this round.
Nice. All right, friends. So what's going to happen here is we're going to do our third round of conversations. How many of you have a topic already to host? If you can raise your hands up high. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. All right. I'm going to invite you to think. If we have five, it's going to be too many people per conversation. So I'm going to invite folks to take a moment ‑‑ just take a deep breath. You've traveled all this way from your friends, your family, your work. Take another deep breath. You're working often in isolation. You're troubled by these issues that keep you up at night frustrating and here you are. You're in a room of some of the most brilliant leaders of our time. If you have a challenge or conversation that you would, you know, like to have in person, this is a nice moment. This is my flight attendant voice as well.
In all seriousness, this is going to be the last opportunity. What's going to happen is we're going to have those conversations. We're going to come back here at 1:15 and we're going to hear some reportbacks and we will transition at 1:30, 1:45 in that zone where you can have lunch. It's going to be provided for you right outside. So just to let you know, that's the arc of what's happening. Do I see anybody inspired to host? Yes. Fantastic. All those hosts, if you can please stand up, come to the front of the room. You know the drill. Come on up. All right. You all have your questions ready? So, your name, join me too. And I'm going to write a key word. Once you share yours, if you can walk not just all the way around, but some of you start walking further down the line, if you would. And we are going to get started. Can we give them a round of applause for volunteering?
All right, yawl. Come on up.
>> I'm Dale. Join me to discuss the economic and ethical implications of online advertisement circumvention.
>> Hi. My name is Kadu. Join me for discussion of the impacts of automated legal decision making procedures.
>> Hi. I'm Katie from the U.S. Join me for discussion on the benefits and detriments of neutrality.
>> Well, hi. I'm Lucia from Mexico. I would like to you join me to discuss if children under 13 would be ‑‑ should have Facebook account or any other social network.
>> Hi. I'm Anar from Iceland. Join need to talk about the detriments of detention economy. Yes.
>> Hi. I'm Alexia. Join me to discuss digital skills that will be needed in the future. Thank you.
>> Hi, everyone. I'm Adisa. Join me to discuss pay walls and access to research on the Internet.
>> CHRIS: Hi. We're going to pause for a second. You all taking notes? Highly recommended here. Capture people's names if you can't make their first conversation. Pro tip.
>> Pay walls in access to research on the Internet.
>> Hi. I'm Annan. Join me to discuss spreading awareness regarding cybersecurity in developing countries.
>> Hello. I'm Oofa from Nigeria. Join me to set up an organization to focus on including youth on Internet Governance.
>> Hello, everybody. I'm Ashkar. The people who love who have accessibility, please join with me.
>> Hi. My name is Paula. And I would like you to join me to talk about different language content. What are the barriers covered by people while accessing the internet and other content and language different from yours.
>> Hi. Henry from Sweden. Join me to discuss issues for LGBT people online.
>> Hello. Join me to discuss safety online.
>> Hello. I'm Diana. I want you to join me to discuss online education, challenges and solutions.
>> Hello. I'm Alfred. Join me to discuss on how to use Internet in a profitable way.
>> CHRIS: Don't leave yet. Don't leave yet. Hold on. Hold. Hold. Okay. So again, remember go to your first choice and our hosts, if by chance, you have a large number of people, invite people to think about their second choice. If you find yourself with one or two other people, celebrate that as well. You're going to find your own space that you want. There's paper and pens if you need. What time are we coming back here at? 1:15. 13:15. All right. We'll see you then. Find your conversation.
All right. Please grab a seat.
Okay. Please grab a seat. Oofa, are you from Nigeria? Is that what you heard? All right. Okay. are you all ready to hear some highlights? Are you all ready for lunch? This time let's start from the back of the room for those hosts and we'd like to invite to you share your name, what your conversation was centered upon and your top highlight or reflection that you'd like for the whole room to hear. And we're going to work our way from the back of the room forward. I strongly encourage if you are part of the conversation was just stand up. Make it fun. Perhaps do your super power dance. I'm not sure. But before we go to lunch. We might hear something you'd might want to talk with a member of the group about. So might as well take advantage of this moment. So we're going to go all the way to the back row and move our way forward. Anyone in the back row reporting back?
>> CHRIS: Yes, please.
>> Hi. I'm Diana. The topic was online education. We talked about the pros and cons about education and also challenges. So some highlights from our conversation the pros online education is that you provide some online resources that aren't available upline. It's flexible. It's at your own pace. It's also ‑‑ this is also very positive for professionals who aren't able to educate a lot of time to it. Also, it's good for introduction to new topics and supplemental learning. The concept of online education is that it's online and people don't have the opportunity to interact and match with their classmates is also interests that during the course, it might drop. It doesn't go deep into ‑‑ some courses don't go deep into the topic. And also for children, it might have a negative impact for their social development. So maybe folks would be good to have supplemental or something extra, but not as a replacement. And challenges are people in the world areas cannot access this line of resources. Adaptation in local context and affordability of this courses because sometimes it can be expensive and there are many scholarship to support this.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> Diana: Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Next.
>> My name is Alfred. We were discussing on this topic how to use Internet in a more profitable constructive way. First of all, we noticed most of the young people use internet for social media, for (?) and we wonder how we can use Internet in a more productive and more constructive way. So we need to use Internet not only for sending messages, but we need to use it in a productive manner. For this, we have to create conditions, conditions that will permit people may use internet in a productive manner. We suggest, for example, to raise awareness on how to use Internet in a productive manner. Also we suggest we may set a form of control of employers to avoid that workers ‑‑ that workers instead ever spending their time on social media, for example, may go and work. And also we have to create jobs because when someone has a job, when someone is busy, they should not be on social media charging and (?).
>> CHRIS: All right.
Next group. Your top highlight. Next group. Yes, please.
>> Hi. My name is Noha. And me and my team were discussing spreading cybersecurity awareness in developing countries. So for the multi‑stakeholder approach, it's ‑‑ there is responsibility of old steak holders for the government to establish data protection laws and to apply it. For example, we cannot allow our children to just take the iPad and going online. We're exposing them to many threats that way. So we need to introduce cybersecurity and our education systems and the parents should teach their children how to be safe. The other generation we talked about is our parents generation and our grandparents generation don't have enough awareness on how to stay safe and they can just click on any link and open it. So we need them to be educated about how to stay online, safe online as well and manage their identity. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
Working our way forward. Anyone else in the next row? Yes, please.
>> You know, we cannot afford ignoring 1 billion people visibilities in the world by excluding them from accessing way. Our group discussed and keep important to insure with accessibility. And there is an international standard if we could insure the WC3 2.0 all can access equally and join this information. There is two international important commitments. One, your unconventional of abilities which insure that accessibility and also we cannot achieve by 2013 by ignoring people with visibility and marginalized group that really needed information in accessible format. So achieving this to international commitment, we need to insure accessibility and E‑service for all. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> Hello. I was with the group on attention economy, which is the phenomena when social media tried to capture as much attention and time by sending notifications and showing you content you're interested in and so you see more apps. This has been detrimental psychological affects on people. Anxiety or the rise. People losing sleep because their phone keeps buzzing and seeing the highlights of someone else's life and thinking that their lives are somehow less grand as well as problems with how they present their own lives and seek the approval of their peers. We thought that there's ‑‑ there's very little we can do about this. We can't give up Facebook or it's at least very excluding to give up social media. We can reduce other social stress or we can inform people better about this, raise awareness to perhaps some sort of school programs like part of a course of Internet and technology in elementary and high schools. Although first, we would like to see some data suggesting that raising awareness would actually possibly impact the problem and that people wouldn't just get more anxious and continue to use the social media as before. We don't have a date on that.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> I'm Henry. I was in the group talking about LGBT issues online. We came to the conclusion we were discussing the LGBTQ issues liability of platforms consisting of different regulatory environments that are pro and anti‑LGBT. And we were only really able to come to a conclusion about what we were talking about and not the topic in question.
>> CHRIS: Sounds like you have an opportunity for lunch conversation.
>> Henry: Yeah.
>> CHRIS: All right. Thank you.
I see you all here as we make our way forward, anybody on this side? All right. Here we go. We will work our way towards you.
>> Hi. I'm Lucia. My group and I were discussing if children under 13 should have a social media account. After discussing this topic, we realize that the better solutions were to create a social media account with educating kids and their friends to use correctly parental controls. Thank you.
>> Hello, everyone. I'm from the group that discussed paywalls and access to research on the internet. So physically, we talked about the major problem of researchers which is open access in the sense that research is possible bee government and NGOs. But then when this work gets published, the end of the (inaudible) sometimes checks on researchers and you don't see that. You have to peek to access them. So we talked about a solution, which is open access publishing and also use of institution of archiving and came up with a couple of ideas of how to make this work. We talked about encouraging the use of (inaudible) within each station, then also government sponsors should require sponsored research to be open access. And also, we talked about making journal publishing prices cheaper by using the web publishing methods. It shouldn't be that expensive, obviously. And also to raise the perceived value on quality of open access journals in our communities. And lastly, we should encourage access to recite data as well. Thank you very much.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> Hello, everyone. I'm OOFA from Nigeria. My group was discussing about creating an organization for youth engagement in Internet government and we were age to least out a couple of challenges faced by individuals we have trusted in organizations focused on youth engagement in Internet government. The first challenge we came up was funding and the way we solved this issue is meet up with government ministry that met with this and organizations doing things similar to Internet government and also we came up with another challenge with how to engage the youth actually to be more impactful and you can have class and talk in their classrooms in college and high school also and to meet them in social environments where you know the youths are usually focused on and you can also make them understand what to gain from Internet government and social media, you can use social media to get them more engaged and things like that. Also another challenge is to have impactful project. It is not just about having an organization, but also a project has to be impactful and examples of a project you can have is rural areas and getting ‑‑ basically any other project that you can think of getting more involved in Internet government and even attempting to set a world record by gathering (?) coding or something like that is an idea. Also, you can have impact other groups to achieve your goal. Another challenge is not all about setting up an organization. You also have to focus on how to sustain it and you need to build a structure to get a team that would be responsible for running the organization. Mainly sometimes they start something small, but then they realize it is much larger. You need to have a structure. Even after you move on, the organization would still remain and still be impactful and lastly, we discussed voluntary how to get more people to be on board volunteer so you can have (?) that is the easiest way to get a volunteer and you need to be able to reward the volunteers and get them a set to have them on the website to join the team section. This way you get more people on board for your project. Thank you very much.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> My name is Brian from south Africa. My colleagues were very worried about the future. So we looked at the future skills. So are just going to highlight on the key point on what are those skills and then look at the challenges and solutions. So firstly, I will talk about skills. We looked at emotional intelligence, cognitive skills, critical thinking, data analysis, leadership and collaboration and also entrepreneurship. Over to my colleague.
>> We focused where we analyzed the challenges mainly relating the future challenges related to artificial intelligence, automation, employability, the job mart and how it will be in the future. We also identify the lack of resources for providing access in some regions and Connectivity and how can we talk about digital skills if we don't have access. Also from an educational perspective, how the educational systems are not adapting to the changes and why do we still use 19th and 20th century models in education that are not responsive to the needs of our societies. So we address also (?).
>> We have some solutions that would be great. The first was learning by doing as opposed to memorizing and then reproducing an examination system. And then focusing on teaching skills as opposed to learning content because content is available everywhere given the internet penetration. Introduce introduction of lifelong learning as a concept. Making sure it reaches the local and regional level as well. These are the few solutions that we have.
>> CHRIS: Whoa. All right.
>> Hi. I'm Katie from the net neutrality group. We came to three basic conclusions. One we decided that net neutrality is a good thing. As far as your reading goes, it is not, a deal, but it could be okay as a regulated and temporary solution to a bigger problem. About the most important conclusion we came to is country and positions of privilege realize they're in a very different situation. So their concerns are included in any regulatory goals especially because the decisions of privileged make really will affect all of those countries in ways we can't understand unless we're at the table.
>> CHRIS: True.
>> Hi. I'm Paula. I came from the group that talked about languages barriers. First of all, we came with information that a lot of the content online is in English, about 27%. And we found the main source that we need to empower people with the skills required to come up with a creation so we can have more content in local languages. That's also a way to preserve local future and identity from small and medium communities. This also tackles the issue about bringing people online and having content in their own languages so they can fully benefit there the Internet. It also said this conversation should include the Technical Community as well and the other stakeholders. That was it.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
>> Hi. My name is Hadu. I'm a fellow from Brazil. First I would like to invite my group to stand. They deserve this. Well, we're from the ‑‑ we're from the automated legal decision making group. We tried to condense our discussion into four topics. The first one is there's no perfect judiciary system at all. The second one is there's no neutral judge either person or a coat judge. None of them is going to happen. Never. Well, and then with this, we decided we established that transparency in every transition making process for security and accountability for this kind of decision. And the last one is that the content and personal exceptions should be taken into account when we're talking about decision making processes that will affect people's eyes. That's it.
>> CHRIS: Thank you.
Wow. We get everybody? Yes. One more.
>> Our group talked about advertisement circumvention and the ethics of doing that. First we discussed different types of ads that are inclusive and unwanted. The money aspect of it we recognize the need for funding for their websites by producing these types of ads, but we were generally in favor of accepting the ethics behind users, blocking ads they don't like or that seem to be intrusive and not corporately responsible. And those websites would then create better ads as a result of this type of booking from users. So as a feedback mechanism. And we also touched upon the theory of digital labor. And that was discussed recently in scholarly journals where the content that users create such as pictures on Facebook are monetized through advertisements. Since the user is the holder of that content, they should be compensated for their work.
>> CHRIS: All right. Thank you.
Whoa. All right. Everyone who hosted a conversation in this last round, please stand so we can celebrate you.
All right. We are going to transition and I'm going to pass the mic to our host here. Before I do, I just want to really appreciate without a doubt the bulk of you, English is not your first language. And this kind of activity is very demanding of you. Really want to thank you for participating and I hope you have a fantastic rest of your time here at IGF. I will pass it over to Neil and Alejandra. Give them a round of applause.
>> NEIL HARPER: Hello everybody. This has been a good session. That's not working. Has this been a good session?
>> Everyone: Yeah!
>> NEIL HARPER: So I would like to thank you for being present, for being engaged for really bringing your ideas and your regional experiences to really make this a valuable session. We look forward to working with you guys the rest of this week. You guys and girls or men and women. But the rest of this week, we thank you and we really appreciate you.
>> Alejandra: Hello, everyone. Thank you again. I want to say we have been doing this for five years. During the last time at IGF, we had first all our Ambassadors, the Internet site Ambassadors that are here with us. Please applaud.
Um, for the last three years, we have also (inaudible) at IGA fellows that we started this program three years ago with the help of CGI from Brazil. And we are here all these guys with the blue t‑shirts, they are these fellows I'm talking about. I'm really happy with all the results that we are doing here because they were all presenting and all the rounds. Thank you, guys, you are doing a great job. I want to applaud.
And, of course, all the other attendees that you are not part of the ISO program. Thank you for coming here. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you learned a lot on the sessions here that we were running. It's just the beginning. This is day 0. So you have a long week to learn to get all the information you want to share, all the knowledge that you have with everybody. Networking is very important here and it's not just this week. During this week, a lot of things can be born and they keep going and do that when you go back home. Okay?
Now, I would like to do something that we can maybe try. So what about a picture?
>> Everyone: Yeah!
>> Alejandra: We've going to try to be here. We will do first the picture and then we wait and then you have lunch. That's why you have this. It's in the same place where you had your coffee break. So it will be there. So just go there and grab your food. But first the picture. Please come here all of you. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Okay, everything. Embrace silence for a quick moment. All of you in this far corner, you're going to come closer. We're going to turn. Everyone's going to turn like a wedding photo. And we're all going to be looking this way. If you can't fit in here, everyone on this side needs to go quickly over to the other side. And some of you can stand on this. Some can stand here before the tip.
>> 1, 2, 3! All right. Everyone close your eyes. Close your eyes. On the counts of three, open them. 1, 2, 3! One more time. (Multiple speakers at once).
>> Thank you. Thank you.
>> CHRIS: Okay, everybody. Thank you so much for a great morning. Please grab your things and we'll transition so the next group can start. If you find trash, please grab it. Thank you.