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>> In Some Cases in Some Countries and Case, Also Technologists and Especially Very Advanced Technologists Started to Be Used to Control Activities or to Block Some Kinds of Information. And we really note that we are global I will on how it happens. Internet is a global stuff. It's a global scene. It was developed by different stakeholders for the purposes F all good but the digitization and digital transformations usually happens locally. And if you are receiving some service or you are transforming your life can digital service, you usually do it in your location, in your country. And maybe not always aware of how it happens in other locations. The same, if some corporations, governments or criminals abuses digital services against you, that's usually might be happening from a place but usually happens locally. Some criminal activities -- citizens of one country or in one location may not be repeated instantly, and other places. So we might not be aware of such bad activities or activities of bad actors, which already happened in another part of the world we may not be aware of what happens to us and advisers have we may be experiences protecting ourselves from -- not very good actors. And other people are still not ready to do this. I really would like to ask maybe some of you how your life has been changed digitally, first of all. What digital transformation was using technologies? Has it happened to you or -- a few last times, and maybe -- for sure it happens for good. And later I would like to ask you maybe something bad happens with you wit digit digital transformation. Let me start with my country, the Russian Federation. 10:05. Yeah, so first of all, a lot of digital services have been -- out-of-state services have been digitally transformed in are you sham can you send questions to the government for digital supplies. You can ask for them to provide some kind of government -- (Audio Difficulties) For example the driver's license could be requested digitally, that's really good. But on the other hand the state gained power to track people's activities. And for example, tried to -- let's say too many activities providing you corporations. Maybe also you heard in the Russian federation there was a set of internet legislation when government tried to gain more power on internet resources like the PM names. That was done for really good purposes like protecting citizens and protect the country and country businesses from the outside. But this legislation added a lot of it administrative pressure and paperwork for the other regions. For example, preparation -- in some of the countries can obtain -- through local internet registry, and the journal internet registry and start working. But in Russia because of internet you also are to report your resources, resources to the government (Audio Difficulties) And also report the internet connections and so on. So at least it's not just for surveillance or identification but also administrative pressure compared to other countries. That's an example from at least one. I would like to check maybe sound -- and more participants will speak and be heard. 1, 2, 3. Check. Still not. Unfortunately. I would like the audience to jump in and tell us about how your life has been digitally transformed and maybe be there are some other drawbacks of this. Please come here. Speak into this mic. (Audio Difficulties) Please sit down.
>> Thank you very much. I would like to share that in most cases sometimes when we looking at video entities we might be proud that we are doing very well. My name is Asha from Tanzania and I would like to hear on perspective of governments from my own country. My country, because when you talk about digital transform making you want to make sure all the private sector and the public and the government. Now the problem for my country, when we are talking about digital transformation, we are talking about transformation that has been done very whelm Tanzania has been done very well for digital transformation, whether it's for the country or police filing and all. Kinds of filing. It's really very impressive, to be honest. Now the challenge comes with, while the government is doing a lot of work and a lot of transformation, especially in truck tour, in systems and applications and solutions we have a society which does not yet understand fully how to use the transformed solutions and we understand why the government might do a lot of awareness to its people. They reached what is very well in literacy. As in digital literacy. It is also the private. But then you have the private sector -- Which is not really embracing digital transformation. Have you a government that keeps players who are not -- maybe –
>> A question to you. Can I ask for another mic. So then I have a question to you. You said that government did really well in digital transformation, but did any discussions appeared before this digital transformation? Did government present the private sector as you said, consulted other stakeholders which are joining Internet Governance. So do the stakeholders or public aware of this digital transformation? Did they really ask for it? Your government, yeah, transformed something else which was similar to transform but does not require traps formation, actually. So how does this run in your country? And also it's a question for -- I think it's represented for government, I hear. So it would be really interesting to hear how you have consulted as a stakeholder in making decisions of transforming digitally something.
>> So maybe to respond to your question. I'm not a government representative but I'm a very active actor in the society. So I sort of know what is going on in the ecosystem. You know, there are forces that makes the government to transform and go digitally. And one of those forces is the (?) when we had the European Union on board in terms of funds, now the government created a road map for -- to be digitally transformed.
>> So for your stakeholders not your citizens? Not your civil society? Not your private sector but the World Bank and European Union.
>> They started last year to appropriate in Tanzania. I would say in the last two years there's engagement of stakeholders compared to when we were engaging in the –
>> But you are in creation of blueprint stakeholders was involved?
>> Not to an effective amount, and I think the other reason was because there was a gap. We need to understand that not all countries has an active -- when if comes to CSOs. When it comes to the CSOs to contributor other government identifying to engage for feedback. It's a bit complicated.
>> Okay. I also would like to invite somebody towels join the experience here, please. But don't forget to introduce yourself and tell about location, where are you working.
>> Thank you. Can you hear me? My name is Kaswina, I work with the Nigerian government. So I think for me, the world we are today, digital is a lifestyle. If you look at what we do, everything we rely on technology to do a lot of things. For example for me I use my mobile font to set a lot to wake me up in the morning. I use it to read news. I use it to connect with family and friends. (Audio Difficulties) That is everything about me. I want you to talk about sovereignty is very key, because most of the developing countries, they don't have data sovereignty. They don't have oppression sovereignty, and they lack digital sovereignty. The data mostly has been captured, processed by hyper skillers who are not -- in most cases they don't even have presence in those developing countries. In terms of expropriation they decide how to consult the country.
>> Thank you. I will ask you another question. I really understand you, because for population measures or for economic structure, Russian Federation is really close to Nigeria. So we understand each other. Russia is not to be in a developing country. And then we are talking about the people who can get the data. They can stand the -- (?) the previous century is also -- yes, that's why we started this session. So maybe as your government representative for your country, you have a solution or eager to do something or ask for advise, please.
>> We have many solutions. Government is deploying to reach the citizens because the citizens are online. The government also needs to be online to solve the citizens. So we have a different solution from -- like if you want to read for passport, driver's license, do transaction online like our financial sector is the most digitized sector in Nigeria. This was, as I said of a government policy, of a cashless society. That is what triggered that digital transformation in the financial sector. And that also is going across because today can you easily use mobile money or internet banking. That is also inspired other sectors to start digitizing.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: If you want to jump in with your example, please raise your hand I see a representative from the Australian government. But now I have a question which -- for the third part of our session. So any transaction online. Anything to interact might be good for fighting criminals or legal transactions but also every citizen becomes good information about the activities. It might be used by the legal correlations and so on. How your government deals with such neglect impacts of complete digitization. For example the financial sector oratory activities. And then we will come back to you.
>> NIGERIA: That is challenging for us and that's why Nigeria is because of this huge digitization. So the government is doing a lot in terms of having visibility of what is happening online in terms of tran acts. We are building our national cybersecurity architecture and we are also working with the financial intelligence unit to create that visible for every transaction. Now we do it manually but we are building intelligence in it, adding AI to predict also suspicious transactions. That can curtail the number of punish fraud.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: And how are these activities of keeping financial data and -- it's being controlled by a single society of human rights organizations in your country or nothing like this is happening?
>> NIGERIA: So for the financial unit, it's a big ecosystem where everybody is a part of it. Any financial transaction and we had the civil society organization as part of it. Now they they are leading in terms of building the software that will build our intelligence and everything we will do in co-design and co-creation is at the heart of everything we do. We have a participatory framework where we do many policy dialogue as part of our rule making process before we came up with any organization. So we engage the society organization and academia and everybody to be involved.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Very good. Thank you very much. Are you really protected from digital order here. Please, another example.
>> Thank you, I'm Moses from South Africa. From the Department of communications and digital technologies.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: So you are t representative.
>> SOUTH AFRICA: I think I'm picking up, there's multinational companies coming into the country and acquiring companies that were already operating in South Africa, preserving data and so on. And obviously in that regard, they do obviously adhere to -- you know the policies within the country, right. But also the very same companies have to adhere to the policies within their respective countries and they find that data as needed need to be shared with the countries that they are actually coming from. Now the challenge that I'm picking up here is -- you are in -- you know let's say, South Africa. And when the country was required the people who have that information and that rather in that particular server that is required, where they consulted with that acquisition and what it would mean for their data to be kept by that specific company that has acquired the new company, right.R Russia to do you invite your stakeholders from your country and foreign companies because not much countries can use Google and Facebook and so on. Do those companies tries to do any multi-stakeholder consultation in your country, or would there be alternative data?
>> SOUTH AFRICA: We do have multi-stakeholder discussions in the country. We do have what you call the IGF the south African government forum, and other platforms as well. Of but obviously as I said it's a new trend. I'm not sitting here saying we have all the solutions and obviously within south Africa we have the necessary policies as well like the protection of personal information act which is somewhat similar to the GDP Act. But obviously we are dealing with smart people here, right. Dealing with people who actually look at those very same policies and they pick up the loopholes, right. And as I said, you can't serve two masters at once. With the very same multinational companies that are actually coming into the country, and you know, acquiring the companies and so on. I'm just basically trying to see how to even -- you know ensure that the citizens are protected. And they know that it -- you know what actually happens to their data and so on.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Yes, that's really important. Because huge corporations are now -- acquired powers which are equivalent to the state powers but they do not have such responsible but still very much -- I call it behind you -- again we have three government representatives that are close to the government. Even somebody from the other group of stakeholders who are -- we are -- we would like to share the experience, please raise your hand.
>> Hello, my name is Paul. I'm from Austria and I represent NGO called IC-AG where we use the technology for the common good and I'm also an engineer. I used the programme for 15 years, so I understand the technical aspect and hopefully the aspects of society. I have been a tech enthusiast almost all my life, but recently I feel like I live in a distopian future where people don't realize that we live on a planet where we used to have a decentralized network called internet which was handled as the tool to create a connector in free world to now where we have the multinationals which was mentioned by the colleague from south Africa who were centralized and controlling everything we do. In my country in Austria we have a fairly okay working democracy but at the same time, it diminishes every year because there is mass surveillance happening which enables targeted advertisement and just a few companies -- and mostly from the United States and China, are currently in control of our social media. The person who has interest or most of the money can just buy these ads and manipulate my population and change the elections in their way. Not 100% but Facebook did research and showed that they can change democratic elections with at least a few percentage points, which is quite impressive. So I fear that most people don't realize this, that democracies currently worldwide can be bought or elections can be bought, I don't know -- I don't have a solution because most people just continue scrolling that their feed.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Thank you very much it. Reminds me, because I have to apply with Russian experience with what you said, two points. In this year there was two days IGF in Russia. It wasn't like this. It was open. The whole two days was spent by different stakeholders in discussions of so-called late of day legislation where the government wanted to propose legislation but every organization must share collected data on people with the government. The government collects its data from the government from state services, but now they oblige corporations who collect data to provide it to the government. In response during the discussion, the government promised that this data would be provided back to corporations for better services. Guess what happened? On the second reading of this, obligation for the government to provide data back to corporations disappeared. So huge reasons. And if you are talking about election Wes also have great experience. Online internet voting in Russia which can be controlled and can be absorbed. The Venetians corporations was ignored during development. Elections a great idea can you vote from my phone, but the possibilities of external, for single society to disappear completely. (Audio Difficulties) But to ask a few questions for one of the developers because here this company was developed two years ago incompleted and called away. They just said okay now we vote online. So please?
>> Being an engineer and knowing how easy it is to manipulate a database, elections for me are a nightmare and I would not recommend any country to do So one last sentence to my colleague from South Africa, the reason why there will never be an Austrian EI or south African EI because we don't have the data to train on models and it's called digital colonialism and it just continues. Thank you.
>> Hello, I'm A Dulah from turkey. I'm working as a digital advisor in communications and digital authority. Actually I was a volunteer the last 10 years in human rights organizations. In those times I every time thought that government are very eager to collect data. But when I started work as a legal advisor in government, I saw that a lot of companies, especially financial institutions, once the government -- that collection this data. Because they told us they need to block imposters to get information from disadvantaged people. And they told us we need more information about citizens to protect them. So our answer is that of this problem, we have to implore individuals to understand how can they protect of imposters. Because if citizens cannot protect themselves, somebody says we have to protect you for from your enemies. That's why we need to clear a line -- draw a clear line about data pricey and the freedoms and the sovereignty and also how to attack these imposters. So the biggest problem, I believe, of modern society is imposters has a lot of powerful weapons like a social engineering. They look at their profiles. They look at their Instagram feed, and they clearly attack the people. So how government and financial institutions stop these attacks? We believe that the military is just the answer -- if you ask a question?
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Yeah, so the turkish government says they need data to protect from imposters. But did they steal it? Do you know successful cases? A number of successful cases for protection? Turk we are still with programs like people with elders.
>> Ravi: Sharing data they help people.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: But did they help the regulator?
>> TURKEY: After saying that they with can easily stop that kind of fraudulent attacks but we told them we have a similar GDP version in it Turkey here. We told him it's not possible to share all citizen's data with you. But we told him if we can't collect this data how can we stop them? So we tried to empower individuals. Because –
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Yes, thank you very much. Why I ask you the question. In Russia, while all of this blocking more than ten years ago appeared with a reason of protecting children, protecting children from drug abuse, protecting children from sexual abuse, protecting children from suicide propaganda. But actually more than ten years passed and statistics say there is no decline in crime drugs registered and no decline in children's suicide registered. So it appears the more surveillance appears but nothing changes. That's why I ask the question. Maybe there is a positive example of this. And again when you are talking about security, when the government is talking about security, usually excel to your society from the discussions. Okay it's security. We know better. But I think we should try to reclaim our possibility to talk about this. But maybe people have successful examples. I see people from other societies. Maybe have you an experience?
>> Actually -- I'm from Finland. I don't really have all that much to say but on the whole in Finland, these things mostly work, the dangers are sometimes people seem to be too trusting that they work. And when something goes wrong they are not prepared. Also the government they kind of are trying to believe that things will always work and the data leaks happen and no probation for that kind of thing but not so much -- let's say practical problems most of the time. It's only when things break, everybody panics. That's enough. Russian thank you.
>> Hi think, my name is Marcus auto I'm from a company -- I'm doing my PhD on Internet Governance on the side and after our finish friends on the north I thought I would give input from Estonia. And Estonian from birth until death. And I would say there are two effects that we see. Number one because we have two factor authentication of not just knowledge factors like email or password or something but you make it easier for people to abuse your identity online. And number two also we have something called the beta tracker where in the government portal I can see almost every single time which government authority looks at what part of my data, when and most importantly why. And if there is something that I don't like about this I go to the data protection inspector and they will have to take a look at this. And the reason why this system works relatively well is we have once-only policy in he is tone york meaning that something like your name or your address or your date of birth and always only be stored by one authority within government. So it's not like 20 authorities are sitting on the same dataset. It increases data quality as well, and it strengthens cybersecurity -- because if I'm a hacker I know that 20 authorities have my core data. And 19 of the 20 authorities can do the best job in the world but one does a mediocre job and that's where I get all of your data, right. And because of the once only principal we sort of protect against that. It is not a perfect solution, but -- yeah, the good thing about it is that the public servants also know that citizens have the data tracker. So they are treating their privileged access two peoples information with more care because they know that the citizens can see when they do stuff with their data.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: That's a great example. Could you also -- no, don't give away the microphone. >> Sorry.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: I'm really glad you are here, because in Russia we have state services portal but there is no data tracker. The data tracker only exists for some things. And also sometimes people realize -- their data has been used, exactly data which is stored as a state. But they can't find who did it actually. And also there is no way to punish abuse. Because in some cases it became known. For example in the organization sometimes requested the history and only then people realized that some created have been approved and start to roll it back. Or for example people realize that they joined the primaries of a political party that still existed. My question to you, (Audio Difficulties) And the people actually really trust their digital services but when I was in Estonia serving digital elections a few years ago I asked how can you trust the digital idea, it might be abuse, the government will stall it or abuse it. Somebody will abuse it. They say no, they would be punished exactly what you said. So it's really strong trust which has been built through the years. But maybe you can remember what happens when this -- how it happens once the digital services started being approved? Was it something like the political discussion, expert discussions to bring us a good example.
>> I will do a small detour but I will answer your question, I promise. Actually I will answer your question first. At the start there was not so much multi-stakeholderrism simply because that Rick didn't exist at the time. For example in the late 2000s whether it was online Russia that doesn't really (Audio Difficulties).
>> Yeah, and actually in some sense of the word I would say you need to decide very clearly what you make come pulsery and where you leave the multi-stakeholder alive. For example Estonia made the decision everyone must have a digital identity. We can't have a parallel society where some people are registered and some people are not. We are not government. We can't accept a situation where people are having a heart attack on the street and one person has data. We can treat him. We know the blood group already and what the last medical operation was and the other person we can't help because there's no data. To have some standard level across the board. But then also to allow freedom and -- once we have those standards approved. So for example, you can have different schools. Different E school systems and different banks using different authentication portals and so on. So there's a very strong ecosystem based on those bake credentials and I think that's why it has worked so nicely over the last 20 years. Russia but it's still -- (Audio Difficulties) It doesn't allow the system to be abused.
>> Yes and no. I'm not actually Estonian. My background is German. If the government decide to go in the wrong direction it will do whatever it wants to do any way. Especially if an authoritarian regime was elected a couple of year ago. So there can be a kill switch for all digital themes to self-explosion the minute democracy is in danger and so on. What I will say is you need strong Rules of Law if you have a rulessed base system it is strong enough to fight authoritarian influences but when we looking at some countries in the EU today. It can be eroded over the years.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Okay. Thank you very much. Since we can hear now our online participants let's try to -- just a moment. Let me turn on the mic.
>> 1, 2, 3.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: For the participants who would like to speak.
>> I'm speaking now.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Unfortunately we can't hear you. Because I hear you from my device but I can't hear you in the headset. So maybe you can write your comment and we will read it. Okay. Our caller –
>> Co-founder of the chapter and I want to follow on the Estonian in Kaza Zach stand. And that gives us piece of minute it's not curious solutions protecting our data, but it's Estonian solutions protecting our data. One case I wanted to bring was related to harmful blocking so in Kurdistan we blocked content because of the harmful reasons but what happens was now people are starting to install VPNs to continue accessing TikTok and they are installing freeware and falling way to virus programs which comes with this VPN, so actually as a result people are not more protected but they are now more vulnerable to harmful thing online.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: But, okay you said it's here now at Internet Governance Forum. How do you deal with this? Do you reach your government and saying okay -- what are your actions in your country to deal with this authoritarian acts with TikTok?
>> So luckily in Kurdistan we have a single society. And the government doesn't involve the single society in Internet Governance. However when it comes to the issues related with sometimes national security, suddenly everything is blocked because immediately we can't secure stuff. So no multi-approach stakeholder. And when they say cybersecurity it becomes a part of national security. And the way around it has been when we discuss cybersecurity we say digital hygiene and digital resilience, so something that has no word but talks about the same issue, then civil society can be involved.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: This is a really good example. I hope in this case Kurdistan will go -- better practices than worst practices from Russia. And again? Please don't be shy. Please raise your hands. Especially if your company the die electric happens and there's a really good example of the data and the internet.
>> One thing I wanted to talk about the data tracker. We don't see it when there's an ongoing investigation, which may or may not be launch depending on which country you are in. For example in Estonia, when police look at my address, I don't see it. Why because if I might see on the data tracker when the police are looking at me I might go. So in this case, a specific police officer must apply for access to -- or hidden access to people's data. That is them being approved or rejected and if it is approved then they can look at my data without me seeing it, but the second that the criminal investigation is over with whatever consequence, then it must be released to the person that was under investigation. So even if it turns out that I did commit a crime I will still be given the access -- like the log record basically of who accessed what part of my data, when and yes, because it must be used in court for both sides. So this is one more of those safeguard, again you can't see everything on the data tracker immediately but at the end of the day you will. So this is really helpful.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: That's a really good example. And I'm quite sure in Estonia how it happens and again Rule of Law working somehow because in many countries we know this law may be written really, really good but how it's being executed and especially in this many cases it might be really difficult. Okay. Anyone else want to share a experience or raise a question or an issue? Maybe somebody wrote a comment.
>> If not I can talk about client voting in Estonia. Because it was mentioned earlier no one trusts elections online.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: We will talk about this topic but again Russia is a really difficult case because it's a stakeholder discussion but what simulated proof for digital -- but that's all a sad story about digitalizing some of the essential functionality leading to the fair state. So for us it's a painful story. But I know for example in Germany, (Audio Difficulties) So you can't balance the votes can digitization. So it's (Audio Difficulties) It's a completely different story. So please share your experience.
>> Good morning, it's not sharing experience –
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Don't forget it introduce yourself.
>> My name is Krista Anana, I'm work going toker the European agency. A quick question to him, do you have a list of entities that have a data tracker? Do you have a list that -- do the citizens of the entities where the data tracker is open to them? I don't know if you understand the question. Certainly the taxes? Do you?
>> Yes, so in the state portal there's a selection bar -- There's basically a big list of recommending industries where you can then say oh I want to see who looked at my data from the population registry or from my criminal record or something like that. So can you do it quite granularly or check all of the boxes with the data access. And I will say one thing here, while that access is very good it is not extremely user friendly. It's very easily accessible but if I asked you where is your medical data stored it's very easy. You know it's the electric health error, something like that. But if I ask you a more obscure data point you may not know which authority holds that data right now. This is something where we can still make it easier and say -- like instead of specific registerties you can say family familiar related data or educated related data. You can still make it good for the user and that's where the government has some work to do. And we as the private sector may or may not push them that way.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: You also have to be responsible not to just pour data -- if you don't have data it (Audio Difficulties).
>> And when you talk about multi-stakeholders one thing that the government is usually pretty bad at is inclusion of user groups. But the good thing is that in Estonia public/private partnership is strong and every big tenner there will be a requirement you must do research group, testing and everything. So whenever there's a new service being developed just put that into your procurement as a base line. That makes it easier for us as well because then we have a better idea of what the users actually want and we are forced to do it.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: It's a really good practice but I know in my country the government could really emulate such groups and you could meet some people. We are slowly closing our session. We already had one hour. Unfortunately we weren't able to let all participants speak and the beginning was a bit jammed. We also have not talked about the huge group of technologist, digital technologists like digital surveillance and security forces surveillance. We didn't talk much -- we talked a bit only on content blocking. Like in some places the new digital so farrance in the meanings. We want to control what people see and what people do and what information they can consume and what they say. It's a really important matter imthink we may be able to discuss it in other session or other AGMs. Unfortunately -- (Audio Difficulties).
>> Thank you very much. I have a question, if anybody has a possible solution to raise. One we started here we discussed about data being controlled by multinationals. They have those -- to you or otherwise. But they have specific -- maybe hidden use for that data. And where that data is domiciled is my question is has anybody got any experience, we know how powerful those internationals are. And we also talked about how the data may be used for critical issues in these countries. Does any of us have any experience why or how these multinationals can be curtailed or -- in such a way that such data is -- the data used is arranged and how it can be made useful or stopped from such cautions. Thank you. Russia it's a really great session I think people started asking for a long time. About a us in Russia there was a legislation which obliged the foreign corporation to domicile end user data. It's relating and so on. It exists but it doesn't work. So because there is no possibilities how to enforce it. I think this question should be addressed not for maybe us but for human right protection companies and single society ors from all the countries of the location of those multinational corporations. But unfortunately in this meeting, the United States, human rights protection organizations decided not to participate. So that's really sad. But I think we should start working with other single societies. That's actually -- we are running this session to set up contacts and to find ways and raise the problem of, again, data organizations which appeals also to Austria which is not very well known. So we also form online which it is written southern please read it.
>> If I may shortly cover the comments that are coming through the chat from actually our online speak theirs had to be represented today. So Sonia says restrictions is blockage. It happens in different places and she says it's jude call and extra jude call approaches when they are placed on the court procedures and other is when police just ask the -- them to block any one they want. And he also shares his experiences and he says that we need to take more attention to -- to pay more attention to the monopolization of user data. I think we would have had them today am I think we had issues with the audio. Perhaps we will meet next time and we will have more space to discussion the issues. Russia very last note. We have to finish.
>> Good afternoon, my name is Hamed from Nigeria. Mine is a comment, not a question. I do feel personally that sovereignty is an issue that all countries have to deal with. But the context of sovereign differs from country to country. Have you economic sovereignty and culture alsovereignity and talking about how they have more influences by the culture of the country than the influences outside the country, right. So my final comment to you. Every country we have to decide on its own what level of sovereignty they want to -- I want to have sovereignty, because sovereignty will mean different things to You will a of us, right. And I think that's my final comments. Thank you very much.
>> RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Again the decision should be done -- I hope you support it. Because in many cases it can be abused so we met here. We raised the question. I hope we will make for sure every -- a report and we will start looking at our context and from the session. I really hope we will be able to continue this discussion and resolve these issues because again we cannot discuss the abuse of this sovereignty which might happen in Russia. There are thousands of political prisoners who became prisoners because they are saying on the internet. What did they say? Digitization and sovereignty was abused and here also there are some countries and like (?) he left this country but was not able to join us here. The multi-stakeholder approach and community ands ors. Those who cannot join us. But we will help to develop really people oriented digital services with enough level of organizations. Okay, thank you very much. Have a fruitful IGF week. And I hope you all get back safe home and free. Thank you very much.